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by GakuseiDon
Fri Sep 23, 2022 4:19 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: If Discussing Early Christianity Were a Sport What Would the Rules Be?
Replies: 36
Views: 882

Re: If Discussing Early Christianity Were a Sport What Would the Rules Be?

Is it accurate to say that in antiquity there was "no agreement what year" Jesus was crucified? In the second century yes. In the fifth century no. What are the various years of crucifixion proposed in the Second Century CE? Irenaeus, Tertullian, Justin Martyr etc have Jesus crucified und...
by GakuseiDon
Fri Sep 23, 2022 2:15 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: If Discussing Early Christianity Were a Sport What Would the Rules Be?
Replies: 36
Views: 882

Re: If Discussing Early Christianity Were a Sport What Would the Rules Be?

2. Rules governing the dating of Jesus (a) there was no consensus in antiquity as to when Jesus lived or even if he "lived" or "existed" in the ordinary sense of the word, at all. One might restrict the discussion to existence of Pilate a historical figure to whom Jesus seems to...
by GakuseiDon
Fri Sep 23, 2022 3:47 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: If Discussing Early Christianity Were a Sport What Would the Rules Be?
Replies: 36
Views: 882

Re: If Discussing Early Christianity Were a Sport What Would the Rules Be?

lclapshaw wrote: Fri Sep 23, 2022 3:34 amConsensus, especially when motivated by a desired outcome is useless in any attempt to investigate this subject.
The consensus in antiquity I mean, with a few exceptions.
by GakuseiDon
Fri Sep 23, 2022 3:03 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: If Discussing Early Christianity Were a Sport What Would the Rules Be?
Replies: 36
Views: 882

Re: If Discussing Early Christianity Were a Sport What Would the Rules Be?

2. Rules governing discussions of the dating of Jesus (a) there was no consensus in antiquity as to when Jesus lived if he "lived" in the ordinary sense of the word, if he was born or flew down from heaven, what year(s) the gospel was set. It's quite incredible. Pilate? But Pilate was ima...
by GakuseiDon
Thu Sep 22, 2022 9:44 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Non-Christian Literary Witnesses to the Historicity of Early Christians
Replies: 33
Views: 1218

Re: Non-Christian Literary Witnesses to the Historicity of Early Christians

Is Tacitus' "Annals" 15:44 Authentic or Corrupt? Recent threads in this forum indicate a mixed opinion on the authenticity of the Christian reference in Tacitus' "Annals" 15:44. IMO it represents an interpolation undertaken as late as the 14th/15th/16th century. The chief fact s...
by GakuseiDon
Thu Sep 22, 2022 8:59 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Ignatius derived Pilate from Simon Magus and connected him with Jesus
Replies: 34
Views: 720

Re: Ignatius derived Pilate from Simon Magus and connected him with Jesus

And this? If anyone preaches the one God of the law and the prophets, but denies Christ to be the Son of God, he is a liar, even as also is his father the devil,(10) and is a Jew falsely so called, being possessed of(11) mere carnal circumcision. If any one confesses Christ Jesus the Lord, but deni...
by GakuseiDon
Thu Sep 22, 2022 3:04 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Ignatius derived Pilate from Simon Magus and connected him with Jesus
Replies: 34
Views: 720

Re: Ignatius derived Pilate from Simon Magus and connected him with Jesus

In the epistle of St. Ignatius Ad Trallianos (§ 11), Simon Magus is called "the first-born Son of the Devil". Accordingly, Ignatius knew Simon Magus as basic icon of docetism. That's from the longer recension of the letter, which probably dates from the Fourth Century CE. "Simon"...
by GakuseiDon
Thu Sep 22, 2022 4:10 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Ignatius derived Pilate from Simon Magus and connected him with Jesus
Replies: 34
Views: 720

Re: Ignatius derived Pilate from Simon Magus and connected him with Jesus

Irenaeus, Against Heresies, Book 1, Chapter 23: http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/text/irenaeus-book1.html --- 1. Simon the Samaritan was that magician of whom Luke, the disciple and follower of the apostles, says, "But there was a certain man, Simon by name, who beforetime used magical art...
by GakuseiDon
Mon Sep 19, 2022 2:34 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Arguing Against the Church Fathers
Replies: 103
Views: 3830

Re: Arguing Against the Church Fathers

Each and every one of the theories above listed from all these authors, and the proposition that I am exploring here, are diametrically divergent on a simple and critical point. Their theories are immediately capable of being refuted, and my proposition capable of being supported, by science, in th...
by GakuseiDon
Mon Sep 19, 2022 2:03 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Arguing Against the Church Fathers
Replies: 103
Views: 3830

Re: Arguing Against the Church Fathers

Plutarch as a writer has primary and secondary evidence which has a reasonable state of referential integrity with respect to the core historical record (all other evidence) of that time period. Therefore we may have some reasonable confidence that Plutarch wrote the letters ascribed to him. The fi...