Does this apply to mainstream biblical scholarship also?Chris Hansen wrote: ↑Thu Jun 23, 2022 2:07 pm It seems "anti-Marcionite" more and more just seems to be a catchphrase for someone wishing to conjecture an emendation in these letters.
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- Thu Jun 23, 2022 5:52 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Definitive evidence that Marcion knew no Pilate at all
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- Views: 224
Re: Definitive evidence that Marcion knew no Pilate at all
- Thu Jun 23, 2022 1:36 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: The tempting of Jesus by Satan
- Replies: 18
- Views: 348
Re: The tempting of Jesus by Satan
The passage in Mark looks like a simple hand waving over the longer scene in Matthew. Or the later author(s) could have been inspired by it to create the temptation scene. A similar thing seems to have happened with the Last Supper, which was based upon Paul's allegations but was expanded by later ...
- Tue Jun 21, 2022 6:50 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: How strangely generic the phrase "born of a woman" is when applied to a specific person.
- Replies: 10
- Views: 251
Re: How strangely generic the phrase "born of a woman" is when applied to a specific person.
I'm 90% positive that significant portions of Galatians, including these sections of Galatians 4, are all proto-orthodox interpolations. But by when in the proto-Orthodox development? If it were beyond a certain point, I would expect it to include references to the mother's being Mary, even if not ...
- Mon Jun 20, 2022 6:33 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: The Seed in Romans 1:3 and Elsewhere
- Replies: 94
- Views: 1993
Re: The Seed in Romans 1:3 and Elsewhere
We have no reliable way of reconstructing Marcion's claims or texts. So anything he "said" or "collected" is doubtful to say the least. For instance, at one time 1 Thess. 2:14-16 was widely considered an interpolation, but my recent review shows a huge number of text critics (vi...
- Mon Jun 20, 2022 6:00 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: How strangely generic the phrase "born of a woman" is when applied to a specific person.
- Replies: 10
- Views: 251
How strangely generic the phrase "born of a woman" is when applied to a specific person.
By this, I mean that when we talk about specific people, we rarely need to specify that they are born of women - unless we are trying to refute claims (perhaps made by aliens?) that they are not born from women. This in turn suggests that Paul, whom I assume was writing the reference, was subtly dea...
- Mon Jun 20, 2022 5:50 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: The Seed in Romans 1:3 and Elsewhere
- Replies: 94
- Views: 1993
Re: The Seed in Romans 1:3 and Elsewhere
IMO, we cannot trust the Church Fathers enough to reconstruct Marcion's text, but then turn around and say we cannot trust their other claims about Marcion. It seems like a "have my cake and eat it too" situation, based largely in an anti-Christian bias. For what it is worth, my anti-Chri...
- Sat Jun 18, 2022 1:43 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: The Seed in Romans 1:3 and Elsewhere
- Replies: 94
- Views: 1993
Re: The Seed in Romans 1:3 and Elsewhere
Finding "anti-Marcionite" and "anti-Gnostic" or "anti-Docetist" interpolations is one of the most subjective and unscientific processes I've seen in this entire field, and I frankly find it also one of the least credible exercises. Like what are the clear and precise m...
- Fri Jun 17, 2022 6:52 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: The Seed in Romans 1:3 and Elsewhere
- Replies: 94
- Views: 1993
Re: The Seed in Romans 1:3 and Elsewhere
Hmmm, that is actually a really interesting suggestion. One thing I've been toying with is that it had to do with discussion in terms of generation, but actually your suggestion makes a bit more sense than that. I'll have to mull that one over. Regardless, the meaning is clear, it is idiomatic for ...
- Fri Jun 10, 2022 6:10 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Josephus Antiquities 20.200 on James: The scholars who doubt
- Replies: 139
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Re: Josephus Antiquities 20.200 on James: The scholars who doubt
I don't see any good reason to think this letter is inauthentic or has been tampered with. I've read it and numerous other Roman documents of the time, and it seems just in keeping with the rest of Pliny's letters, particularly the rest of Book X. What about the reference to temples' being nearly a...
- Tue Jun 07, 2022 10:36 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Josephus Antiquities 20.200 on James: The scholars who doubt
- Replies: 139
- Views: 7708
Re: Josephus Antiquities 20.200 on James: The scholars who doubt
I doubt the Christian tradition that Domitian himself took an interest in persecuting Christians and put out an effort eradicate them. That said, there probably was persecution of Christians during Domitian's reign. Yeah, I thought that John2 was being too credulous. But do you have any opinion abo...