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by dbz
Wed Apr 24, 2024 10:13 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Gospels, Epistles, Old Testament: the order of books according to Jesus Chri st
Replies: 26
Views: 17039

Re: Gospels, Epistles, Old Testament: the order of books according to Jesus Chri st

[W]hat does that mysterious ΧΣ stand for, χριστός or χρηστός? The first word means 'anointed' in Greek, the second means 'good', and it is widely assumed that Jesus Christ is the 'Anointed One' - yet even that phrase does not appear anywhere in the New Testament. John 1:41 and 4:25 both specificall...
by dbz
Sun Apr 21, 2024 1:45 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Jesus as mediator and model: connections with Middle Platonism, demigods/heroes, and mystery cult saviors
Replies: 10
Views: 353

Re: Jesus as mediator and model: connections with Middle Platonism, demigods/heroes, and mystery cult saviors

So if I'm understanding you correctly, you think before there was any idea of a Jesus on earth, there was first a Middle Platonic like intermediary power that at some point was said to incarnate as Jesus on earth? If so, there does seem to be evidence of early Christians linking Jesus with other fi...
by dbz
Sun Apr 21, 2024 9:19 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Jesus as mediator and model: connections with Middle Platonism, demigods/heroes, and mystery cult saviors
Replies: 10
Views: 353

Re: Jesus as mediator and model: connections with Middle Platonism, demigods/heroes, and mystery cult saviors

I have shown that mediating deities were common throughout ancient Near Eastern and Greco-Roman culture. Humans needed some type of mediator and model to show them how to connect with god/s or the divine. It's no surprise that Jesus became a preexistent being associated with Wisdom and the Logos or...
by dbz
Sat Apr 20, 2024 3:16 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Jesus as mediator and model: connections with Middle Platonism, demigods/heroes, and mystery cult saviors
Replies: 10
Views: 353

Re: Jesus as mediator and model: connections with Middle Platonism, demigods/heroes, and mystery cult saviors

We Are Being Transformed: Deification in Paul’s Soteriology (Walter de Gruyter, 2012), M. David Litwa: Paul does preach his own “technology of the self” enabling self-transcendence. In his version, however, the divine is not naturally within , but comes from outside and begins to control the passio...
by dbz
Sat Apr 20, 2024 2:19 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Jesus as mediator and model: connections with Middle Platonism, demigods/heroes, and mystery cult saviors
Replies: 10
Views: 353

Re: Jesus as mediator and model: connections with Middle Platonism, demigods/heroes, and mystery cult saviors

Now on the Platonic logos/demiurge: We Are Being Transformed: Deification in Paul’s Soteriology (Walter de Gruyter, 2012), M. David Litwa: Perhaps the most famous image of the tripartite soul functioning in a dualistic way is the image of the charioteer. In brief, the “spirited” and “desiring part”...
by dbz
Sat Apr 20, 2024 1:23 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Jesus as mediator and model: connections with Middle Platonism, demigods/heroes, and mystery cult saviors
Replies: 10
Views: 353

Re: Jesus as mediator and model: connections with Middle Platonism, demigods/heroes, and mystery cult saviors

I have shown that mediating deities were common throughout ancient Near Eastern and Greco-Roman culture. Humans needed some type of mediator and model to show them how to connect with god/s or the divine. It's no surprise that Jesus became a preexistent being associated with Wisdom and the Logos or...
by dbz
Tue Apr 16, 2024 8:34 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Real story of Jesus
Replies: 8
Views: 315

Re: Real story of Jesus

Petronius actually existed as a historical figure. The narrative regarding Petronius in the novel Quo Vadis is the author's invention. And likewise Abraham Lincoln of Indiana (born and mangered in Kentucky) actually existed as a historical figure. The narrative regarding "Abraham Lincoln: Vamp...
by dbz
Tue Apr 16, 2024 7:56 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Real story of Jesus
Replies: 8
Views: 315

Re: Real story of Jesus

Jesus Christ seems to be a historical person about whom his future followers learned several dozen years after the fact, not from . . . oral tradition but from readers of the writings of a certain historian. And then later created a fictional historical narrative for said "a historical person&...
by dbz
Mon Apr 15, 2024 12:36 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The gospel writers saw Jesus as an angel figure, gave him a version of the name Yahweh
Replies: 9
Views: 338

Re: The gospel writers saw Jesus as an angel figure, gave him a version of the name Yahweh

JarekS wrote: Mon Apr 15, 2024 10:41 am Early Christians . . . separated God from the Jews...
Who were the first christ devotees and did they honor a power/son/redeemer of the ONE?
by dbz
Sun Apr 07, 2024 4:38 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Who benefits if Paul is entirely fabricated?
Replies: 6
Views: 239

Re: Who benefits if Paul is entirely fabricated?

Hebrews pre-70 / priority of John could be an interesting alternative in that scenario. And in the Hebrews pre-70 / priority of John scenario it is possible for true-Paul to proclaim his Lord IS XS the 50s B.C. Carrier does not dismiss a 50s B.C. Paul as plausible, but plumps for 50s A.D. Paul havi...