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by Kunigunde Kreuzerin
Fri Jun 02, 2023 11:05 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Why did Mark make useful 'swords and clubs'?
Replies: 16
Views: 226

Re: Why did Mark make useful 'swords and clubs'?

While *Ev had contrasted the armed arrest with the opportunity of detaining Jesus in the temple without violence, Mark showed through the sword stroke that the squad's armament was appropriate after all . ( The Oldest Gospel and the Formation of the Canonical Gospels , p. 301, my bold) Nonsense. Th...
by Kunigunde Kreuzerin
Fri Jun 02, 2023 12:05 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Manuscripts: The Problem with the Synoptic Problem (Brent Nongbri)
Replies: 11
Views: 204

Re: Manuscripts: The Problem with the Synoptic Problem (Brent Nongbri)

The Problem with the Synoptic Problem (Brent Nongbri) https://www.academia.edu/102692189/Manuscripts_The_Problem_with_the_Synoptic_Problem On the one hand, I like Brent's casual attitude when he makes the implicit suggestion: Literally, these gospels, whether canonical or non-canonical, are just st...
by Kunigunde Kreuzerin
Thu Jun 01, 2023 9:24 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Klinghardt on ‘abolishing the Law & Prophets’
Replies: 68
Views: 1150

Re: Klinghardt on ‘abolishing the Law & Prophets’

Marcion: (Trt/Ep/Ephrm): this is my beloved son Mark: this is my beloved son Matthew: this is my beloved son, with whom I am well-pleased Nestle-Aland Luke: this is my son, my chosen Many variants of Luke: this is my beloved son See a critical apparatus for the details. So, was *Ev “harmonized” wit...
by Kunigunde Kreuzerin
Wed May 31, 2023 11:28 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: David Trobisch "What if everything was just made up? About literature and the experience of resonance"
Replies: 53
Views: 1483

Re: David Trobisch "What if everything was just made up? About literature and the experience of resonance"

This would need further clarification, anyway. Ben thought that canonical gMark had a predecessor text, mostly because of the duplications, like the whole Bethsaida section. A shorter version of gMark, not gLuke. That gMark predecessor would then, among others, lead to gMarcion and gMark, etc. His ...
by Kunigunde Kreuzerin
Wed May 31, 2023 6:37 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: No "Descending" - The Myth About Marcion's Incipit
Replies: 140
Views: 4514

Re: No "Descending" - The Myth About Marcion's Incipit

Ken Olson wrote: Wed May 31, 2023 6:33 am I don't think it's particularly difficult to locate a likely source for that.
Luke 4.31:
Καὶ κατῆλθεν εἰς Καφαρναοὺμ πόλιν τῆς Γαλιλαίας
And he went down [descended] to Capernaum a city of Galilee.

But a few mysteries remain :)
Exactly, you only have to implement the idea in this source
by Kunigunde Kreuzerin
Wed May 31, 2023 6:05 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: No "Descending" - The Myth About Marcion's Incipit
Replies: 140
Views: 4514

Re: No "Descending" - The Myth About Marcion's Incipit

. How the idea of a descent from above to Capernaum probably came about 1) GMark 6 shows that in his hometown Jesus is perceived as part of his family in a traditional way: "Sad that people can't go beyond the usual thought patterns". 1 He went away from there and came to his hometown, an...
by Kunigunde Kreuzerin
Wed May 31, 2023 1:51 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Matthean posteriority: From "son of Mary", to "son of Joseph", to "son of the carpenter"
Replies: 8
Views: 204

Re: Matthean posteriority: From "son of Mary", to "son of Joseph", to "son of the carpenter"

Mark 6:3 Isn’t this the carpenter, the son of Mary? οὐχ οὗτός ἐστιν ὁ τέκτων ὁ υἱὸς τῆς Μαρίας Luke 4:22 Isn’t this the son of Joseph? Οὐχὶ υἱός ἐστιν Ἰωσὴφ οὗτος Matt 13:55 Is this not the carpenter’s son? Isn’t His mother’s name Mary? οὐχ οὗτός ἐστιν ὁ τοῦ τέκτονος υἱός οὐχ ἡ μήτηρ αὐτοῦ λέγεται ...
by Kunigunde Kreuzerin
Tue May 30, 2023 8:35 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Enough of "Textual Criticism"! What Do People Imagine Marcionism Looked Like If You Visited Their Synagogues?
Replies: 120
Views: 1383

Re: Enough of "Textual Criticism"! What Do People Imagine Marcionism Looked Like If You Visited Their Synagogues?

Secret Alias wrote: Tue May 30, 2023 8:01 am Love to hear what people have to say. BTW "synagogue" is the term used in Irenaeus.
fish and ships
by Kunigunde Kreuzerin
Tue May 30, 2023 5:10 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Bathtime Stories: Ebion and Cerinthus
Replies: 36
Views: 573

Re: Bathtime Stories: Ebion and Cerinthus

fwiw and iirc, some ancient Jews went to public bathhouses, at least according to rabbinic literature. Yeah. However, a bath house in Ephesus may be different from a bath house in Tiberias. It's not only about impurity in the Jewish sense and about moral questionability due to nudity and certain &q...
by Kunigunde Kreuzerin
Tue May 30, 2023 3:44 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Bathtime Stories: Ebion and Cerinthus
Replies: 36
Views: 573

Re: Bathtime Stories: Ebion and Cerinthus

Irenaeus tells this story instead (A.H. 3.3.4): There are also those who heard from him [Polycarp] that John , the disciple of the Lord, going to bathe at Ephesus, and perceiving Cerinthus within , rushed out of the bath-house without bathing, exclaiming, “ Let us flee, lest even the bath-house fal...