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by Peter Kirby
Fri Nov 24, 2023 5:50 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Contradiction in Paula Fredriksen's use of the Argument from Silence
Replies: 17
Views: 2221

Re: Contradiction in Paula Fredriksen's use of the Argument from Silence

The Argument from Silence is considered strong by Fredriksen against the prophecy of the destruction of the temple being pre-70 CE, while the same scholar doesn't like to use the Argument from Silence (under the assumption of the totality of the seven pauline Epistles) against the historicity of Je...
by Peter Kirby
Sun Oct 29, 2023 12:40 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Most Manuscripts are not Primary Sources
Replies: 142
Views: 75564

Re: Most Manuscripts are not Primary Sources

There is little doubt that Constantine demonstrated an effective exercise both of military state control and of codex technology. On the contrary, Constantine did not have effective control. For example, the emperor chose to play favorites with the anti-Donatists and attempted to crush the Donatist...
by Peter Kirby
Sun Oct 29, 2023 12:28 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Most Manuscripts are not Primary Sources
Replies: 142
Views: 75564

Re: Most Manuscripts are not Primary Sources

1) I'd suggest that the (relative) political power of the Roman Emperor Constantine was greater than that of Stalin Certainly wrong. The technology and the centralization of government power was several orders of magnitude greater in the 20th century for the effective exercise of state control. By ...
by Peter Kirby
Fri Oct 27, 2023 2:02 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Most Manuscripts are not Primary Sources
Replies: 142
Views: 75564

Re: Most Manuscripts are not Primary Sources

Leucius Charinus wrote: Fri Oct 27, 2023 12:41 am 1) I'd suggest that the (relative) political power of the Roman Emperor Constantine was greater than that of Stalin
Certainly wrong. The technology and the centralization of government power was several orders of magnitude greater in the 20th century for the effective exercise of state control.
by Peter Kirby
Thu Oct 26, 2023 4:55 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Smoking gun that the testimony of Papias is bogus
Replies: 16
Views: 1062

Re: Smoking gun that the testimony of Papias is bogus

Agreed, but there is no way that 2 Peter existed on its own ever. 2 Peter could only have been created in the context of a collection that included almost all of the works of the NT and it is written as a way to tie the collection together. How would you know? It clearly references 4 or 5 works fro...
by Peter Kirby
Thu Oct 26, 2023 4:52 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Smoking gun that the testimony of Papias is bogus
Replies: 16
Views: 1062

Re: Smoking gun that the testimony of Papias is bogus

RandyHelzerman wrote: Thu Oct 26, 2023 3:10 pm the final recension of the orthodox canon
What final recension? The canon was debated for centuries.
by Peter Kirby
Thu Oct 26, 2023 2:05 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Smoking gun that the testimony of Papias is bogus
Replies: 16
Views: 1062

Re: Smoking gun that the testimony of Papias is bogus

rgprice wrote: Wed Oct 25, 2023 1:37 pm Agreed, but there is no way that 2 Peter existed on its own ever. 2 Peter could only have been created in the context of a collection that included almost all of the works of the NT and it is written as a way to tie the collection together.
How would you know?
by Peter Kirby
Thu Oct 19, 2023 8:09 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: 📣 Introducing a New Bible Conference Coordinated by Bart Ehrman
Replies: 11
Views: 13587

Re: 📣 Introducing a New Bible Conference Coordinated by Bart Ehrman

annotate wrote: Thu Oct 19, 2023 2:45 pm
Leucius Charinus wrote: Mon Aug 21, 2023 9:56 pm
Does Bart still compare mythicists with Holocaust deniers ?
Last I heard he thought mythicists were 'fools.'
Sounds like an upgrade to me. For the longest time, they were what LC said or, at best, young earth creationists.
by Peter Kirby
Mon Oct 16, 2023 8:09 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Dr. Sarah's Friendly Refutation of all Mythicism
Replies: 254
Views: 131352

Re: Dr. Sarah's Friendly Refutation of all Mythicism

This must be one of those classic situations where a text says X but a reader assumes it cannot have meant X, so an interpretation that is not X seems more plausible than just reading it as saying X.

So the interpretation is about the reader not the text.
by Peter Kirby
Mon Oct 16, 2023 7:48 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Dr. Sarah's Friendly Refutation of all Mythicism
Replies: 254
Views: 131352

Re: Dr. Sarah's Friendly Refutation of all Mythicism

Mark's Jesus But they were all "Christ" due to being the seed of David. I'm not so sure (Mark 12:35). I can't say I'm across this I'm afraid. I see it as meaning "David's descendant will be greater than just a king like David", but if there is a better answer I'd like to underst...