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by Peter Kirby
Fri Mar 29, 2024 1:58 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: How the Gospels got their attributions...
Replies: 7
Views: 106

Re: How the Gospels got their attributions...

Irenaeus has no reason to make up Mark and Luke as authors. Cause they weren't disciples. Arguably they could be thrown out of the Canon on that basis. With Luke, if it was viewed as being written by the same person as Acts, that did limit options to companions of Paul ("we" passages), wh...
by Peter Kirby
Fri Mar 29, 2024 1:51 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: How the Gospels got their attributions...
Replies: 7
Views: 106

Re: How the Gospels got their attributions...

the synoptics are not for sure early as 2 out of 3 of them are later revisions so it's whether the proto-John is earlier than the original synoptic how do we know that John doesn't preserve more ancient ideas? Do we know? This is a topic worth exploring. Maybe you could develop an argument for the ...
by Peter Kirby
Fri Mar 29, 2024 1:48 pm
Forum: Academic Discussion
Topic: Logical errors in Christ Myth Theory
Replies: 3
Views: 43

Re: Logical errors in Christ Myth Theory

dabber wrote: Fri Mar 29, 2024 5:20 am Been reading Jesus from Outer Space. Great read but thinking there's some logical errors.
Is there another book you've read that seems a bit more logical? I'm curious about what people are reading these days.
by Peter Kirby
Fri Mar 29, 2024 1:05 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Ian Mills's "external evidence" that Luke preceded Marcion
Replies: 28
Views: 543

Re: Ian Mills's "external evidence" that Luke preceded Marcion

rgprice wrote: Fri Mar 29, 2024 12:16 pm
Ken Olson wrote: Thu Mar 28, 2024 3:51 pm What is this evidence? I am not inclined to take your word for it.
I don't feel like hashing this out again, so I'll just say that there are many papers written on this topic
Which do you have in mind? It's an interesting topic.
by Peter Kirby
Fri Mar 29, 2024 12:56 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: History trumps Theology
Replies: 67
Views: 535

Re: History trumps Theology

maryhelena wrote: Fri Mar 29, 2024 12:25 am What slogans have I been posting for years ? I'm curious about what specific 'slogans' you found objectionable ?
You employ the word "history" as slogan that magically supports whatever you want to say, but you don't do any history.
by Peter Kirby
Fri Mar 29, 2024 12:55 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: History trumps Theology
Replies: 67
Views: 535

Re: History trumps Theology

It's just another variation of slinging slogans instead of providing analysis that is the nature of your posting. You're right about one thing. Trying to discuss your slogans is actually pretty boring.
by Peter Kirby
Fri Mar 29, 2024 12:07 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: According to Irenaeus, who were the Gnostics?
Replies: 21
Views: 324

Re: According to Irenaeus, who were the Gnostics?

In book 2, Irenaeus has a reference re: "these same arguments will apply against the followers of Saturninus, Basilides, Carpocrates, and the rest of the Gnostics." This might seem to imply that Saturninus, Basilides, and Carpocrates were gnostics. Birger A. Pearson makes reference to Boo...
by Peter Kirby
Fri Mar 29, 2024 12:02 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The X-Files: Chrēstos / Christos / Χρειστος
Replies: 450
Views: 13812

Re: The X-Files: Chrēstos / Christos / Χρειστος

Just putting this here so I can look into it later. Origen, Contra Celsum, 4.51 I know, moreover, that Numenius the Pythagorean--a surpassingly excellent expounder of Plato, and who held a foremost place as a teacher of the doctrines of Pythagoras--in many of his works quotes from the writings of M...
by Peter Kirby
Thu Mar 28, 2024 11:59 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Numenius "On the Good": (1) Agathos, (2) Nous, (3) Demiurge
Replies: 1
Views: 37

Re: Numenius: (1) Agathos, (2) Nous, (3) Demiurge

On the Good by Numenius is such a rich topic. I hope it can be explored further.
by Peter Kirby
Thu Mar 28, 2024 11:59 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Numenius "On the Good": (1) Agathos, (2) Nous, (3) Demiurge
Replies: 1
Views: 37

Numenius "On the Good": (1) Agathos, (2) Nous, (3) Demiurge

Numenius was a philosopher with an interest in metaphysics, who (among other things) wrote a work in six books titled On the Good . Like other philosophers, he considered that there was some kind of Pythagorean knowledge transmitted to and revealed by the Attic philosophers. The wisdom of Pythagoras...