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by Peter Kirby
Thu Apr 18, 2024 10:35 pm
Forum: Academic Discussion
Topic: Comments on Handwriting Analysis and the Mar Saba Letter
Replies: 13
Views: 85

Re: Comments on Handwriting Analysis and the Mar Saba Letter

When reached for comment by Paananen and Viklund, Anastasopoulou responded: Since neither of the authors of this article is an expert forensic document examiner, it seemed prudent to contact Anastasopoulou and ask for her opinion on these alleged non-continuous lines. She responded that the movement...
by Peter Kirby
Thu Apr 18, 2024 10:24 pm
Forum: Academic Discussion
Topic: Comments on Handwriting Analysis and the Mar Saba Letter
Replies: 13
Views: 85

Re: Comments on Handwriting Analysis and the Mar Saba Letter

The difference on this particular point between Anastasopoulou and Tselikas reflects their different underlying areas of expertise. https://tuhat.helsinki.fi/ws/files/125297411/An_Eighteenth_Century_Manuscript_FINAL_REVISION_v13_with_APOCRYPHA_modifications_with_language_check.pdf The two discipline...
by Peter Kirby
Thu Apr 18, 2024 10:05 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Distinguishing some questions about the "Letter to Theodore"
Replies: 105
Views: 849

Re: Distinguishing some questions about the "Letter to Theodore"

I doubt Tselikas saw the now-separated manuscript, but I do know that he had access to the Voss volume (like SA said).

He has offered some of the only photos of it, particularly of some other pages:

https://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/wp- ... ititon.pdf
by Peter Kirby
Thu Apr 18, 2024 9:54 pm
Forum: Academic Discussion
Topic: Comments on Handwriting Analysis and the Mar Saba Letter
Replies: 13
Views: 85

Re: Comments on Handwriting Analysis and the Mar Saba Letter

Nevertheless, a common response to Anastasopoulou is to just say no in response to the question in her title: https://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/biblical-topics/bible-interpretation/venetia-anastasopoulou-can-a-document-in-itself-reveal-a-forgery/ "Can a Document in Itself Reveal a Forge...
by Peter Kirby
Thu Apr 18, 2024 9:42 pm
Forum: Academic Discussion
Topic: Comments on Handwriting Analysis and the Mar Saba Letter
Replies: 13
Views: 85

Re: Comments on Handwriting Analysis and the Mar Saba Letter

Another aspect studied by handwriting examination is rhythm: https://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/wp-content/uploads/secret-mark-handwriting-response-brown.pdf Anastasopoulou refers to the rhythm of the writing four times, describing it as “ excellent ,” “ very good ,” and “ high level .” Although rh...
by Peter Kirby
Thu Apr 18, 2024 9:31 pm
Forum: Academic Discussion
Topic: Comments on Handwriting Analysis and the Mar Saba Letter
Replies: 13
Views: 85

Re: Comments on Handwriting Analysis and the Mar Saba Letter

Another aspect of handwriting examination looks for natural variation within a writer's individual master pattern: When engaged in repetitive activities such as writing, humans lack the precision of machines; they therefore do not write words and individual letters exactly the same way each time. Wr...
by Peter Kirby
Thu Apr 18, 2024 9:07 pm
Forum: Academic Discussion
Topic: Comments on Handwriting Analysis and the Mar Saba Letter
Replies: 13
Views: 85

Re: Comments on Handwriting Analysis and the Mar Saba Letter

Recall that: The fundamental difference between writing with one’s own handwriting and imitating someone else’s is that the former uses proprioceptive feedback (i.e. internal feedback that allows the body to keep track of the relative positions of its parts) while the latter is essentially drawing, ...
by Peter Kirby
Thu Apr 18, 2024 8:51 pm
Forum: Academic Discussion
Topic: Comments on Handwriting Analysis and the Mar Saba Letter
Replies: 13
Views: 85

Re: Comments on Handwriting Analysis and the Mar Saba Letter

As Brown notes, with reference to Anastasopoulou's report on the subject, a document like the Mar Saba fragment is particularly susceptible to a successful demonstration of its artificiality, if that were true about its handwriting: Forging a document is not a simple matter of picking up a pen and i...
by Peter Kirby
Thu Apr 18, 2024 8:36 pm
Forum: Academic Discussion
Topic: Comments on Handwriting Analysis and the Mar Saba Letter
Replies: 13
Views: 85

Re: Comments on Handwriting Analysis and the Mar Saba Letter

Anastasopoulou commented: https://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/biblical-topics/bible-interpretation/venetia-anastasopoulou-can-a-document-in-itself-reveal-a-forgery/ When a large document is consistent, we have a first indication of genuineness and this applies to the Secret Mark letter. The Se...
by Peter Kirby
Thu Apr 18, 2024 8:19 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Distinguishing some questions about the "Letter to Theodore"
Replies: 105
Views: 849

Re: Distinguishing some questions about the "Letter to Theodore"

A few comments on handwriting analysis and on the Mar Saba fragment that I have written are here:

viewtopic.php?f=7&t=12019

Where there's an expectation that comments made are based on mutual respect.