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by Peter Kirby
Tue Apr 16, 2024 2:11 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Antitheses and the origin of Luke
Replies: 7
Views: 63

Re: The Antitheses and the origin of Luke

It's one thing for Marcion to say 'this was the original, that was an interpolation' when he does not know.

It's another thing if Marcion originated the gospel text and wanted it to be accepted. In that case, transparency is unexpected.
by Peter Kirby
Tue Apr 16, 2024 1:58 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Antitheses and the origin of Luke
Replies: 7
Views: 63

Re: The Antitheses and the origin of Luke

Antitheses = Matthew 5:17 - 44. Look at Irenaeus's statements about Marcion's use of these antitheses. In their Matthean form they are obviously watered down from a Marcionite-like source text. I have a hypothesis here that the Antitheses of Marcion more or less directly took a couple of these from...
by Peter Kirby
Tue Apr 16, 2024 1:10 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Antitheses and the origin of Luke
Replies: 7
Views: 63

The Antitheses and the origin of Luke

Basilides (ca. 130) knew the Gospel of Luke: https://earlywritings.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=169178#p169178 According to Justin, Marcion was alive ca. 150-155 when he was writing. https://earlywritings.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=169152#p169152 And there is Marcion, a man of Pontus, who is even at thi...
by Peter Kirby
Tue Apr 16, 2024 11:27 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Greek Monks Who Thought the Letter to Theodore was in the Mar Saba Monastery Before Morton Smith Arrives
Replies: 171
Views: 1219

Re: Greek Monks Who Thought the Letter to Theodore was in the Mar Saba Monastery Before Morton Smith Arrives

And maybe because I said Marcionite studies is bullshit. Yeah I think I have been modest in trying to re-evaluate Tertullian, but the reception would be icy especially among those who have studied the Marcionite stuff the most. It's the single largest source of 'material'. Having full value as a mi...
by Peter Kirby
Tue Apr 16, 2024 11:20 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Greek Monks Who Thought the Letter to Theodore was in the Mar Saba Monastery Before Morton Smith Arrives
Replies: 171
Views: 1219

Re: Greek Monks Who Thought the Letter to Theodore was in the Mar Saba Monastery Before Morton Smith Arrives

Secret Alias wrote: Tue Apr 16, 2024 11:16 am First it was Helmut the frog or whatever his name was.
Helmut Koester? He said something to you?

I guess you mean Hermann (Detering).
by Peter Kirby
Tue Apr 16, 2024 10:38 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Greek Monks Who Thought the Letter to Theodore was in the Mar Saba Monastery Before Morton Smith Arrives
Replies: 171
Views: 1219

Re: Greek Monks Who Thought the Letter to Theodore was in the Mar Saba Monastery Before Morton Smith Arrives

It seems that Smith's own interest in private teaching would have led him to like the singular reading.
by Peter Kirby
Tue Apr 16, 2024 10:34 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Greek Monks Who Thought the Letter to Theodore was in the Mar Saba Monastery Before Morton Smith Arrives
Replies: 171
Views: 1219

Re: Greek Monks Who Thought the Letter to Theodore was in the Mar Saba Monastery Before Morton Smith Arrives

It would explain (sort of) the "naked man with naked man" error The Secret Gospel : We have stories of rabbis who gave obscure answers and then explained the true ones in private to their disciples. (p. 84) Therefore he pretended that Jesus had taught them privately. (p. 85) Even his disc...
by Peter Kirby
Tue Apr 16, 2024 10:15 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Greek Monks Who Thought the Letter to Theodore was in the Mar Saba Monastery Before Morton Smith Arrives
Replies: 171
Views: 1219

Re: Greek Monks Who Thought the Letter to Theodore was in the Mar Saba Monastery Before Morton Smith Arrives

By the way: am I crazy for wondering about this or was Smith possibly assigned a ghostwriter for The Secret Gospel? Someone who helped Smith do the writing part, making it read better.
by Peter Kirby
Tue Apr 16, 2024 10:13 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Greek Monks Who Thought the Letter to Theodore was in the Mar Saba Monastery Before Morton Smith Arrives
Replies: 171
Views: 1219

Re: Greek Monks Who Thought the Letter to Theodore was in the Mar Saba Monastery Before Morton Smith Arrives

Secret Alias wrote: Tue Apr 16, 2024 10:06 am unique looking book (no cover)
According to Morton Smith's book: "The front cover and the title page were lost (most of the books in the tower library had lived hard lives), and there was nothing on the spine, but..." (p. 13)