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Thanks for sharing this, Chris!

Giuseppe wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 1:40 am I can well say, along the same lines:

If you accept that the birth from woman and the davidic descent are anti-Marcionite interpolations, it seems to me you really have to accept that there was not at all an earthly Jesus in Paul.

Not necessarily.

Spartans claimed a legendary origin with Lacedaemon, a son of Zeus who had the same name as the country (named after him), who married Sparta, who had the same name as the capital city (named after her). Their first king was the legendary Lelex, a native of the land. The accounts disagree about whet...

So it seems to me that this dig against John is referring to something external to Evangelion, something which presented John differently, presenting John as a forerunner to Jesus. Based on our knowledge of the synoptic gospels, the most obvious candidate here is Mark (especially if we view Luke, M...

One note here is that Luke 7:27 as it appears in Evangelion does seem to be aimed at John. In particular, in my approach in representing this passage, it is aimed at John by way of contrast. Essentially, it negates the role of John as forerunner. Instead of presenting John as a forerunner of Jesus, ...

I also referred to Epiphanius to make this argument about the other passage: Dispensing with the idea that Tertullian had the gospel of the Marcionites in front of him helps solve a riddle found in Epiphanius. Epiphanius, Panarion 42.11.6: <η>. Παρηλλαγμένον τό «μακάριος ὃς οὐ μὴ σκανδαλισθῇ ἐν ἐμοί...

Luke 5:33 or something else like it is seems to be attested multiply. Ephrem, Hymns Against Heresies, 47.4 "Even the stranger... knew... as a groom every day (joy and) delight—while John lived in sorrow, renunciation, and fasting. The sons of the bridal chamber cannot fast. The people of the Cr...

Now, if Marcion based his Evangelion on Mark, then only Marcion could be the first author of the logion: Yet the least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than John ...So, how could that logion reflect the idea of John forerunner of Jesus if the only gospel, preceding Marcion, where the idea of Joh...

Ken is condemned to assume that Marcion corrupted Luke, if he insists in this his interpretation of the logion . How can we decide what the interpretation of the logion is? Or are you possibly suggesting that we can't and that we have to decide on the basis of whether we consider Luke prior or not?

Where Ken's interpretation is wrong is in the fact that in the Evangelion nowhere it is said that John is a forerunner of Jesus. Really, the idea that John is forerunner of Jesus could come in clear terms only by a simple episode: the baptism of Jesus by John. But a such episode is absent in the Ev...