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by Peter Kirby
Tue Nov 30, 2021 10:14 pm
Forum: Classical Texts and History
Topic: Quintessence: The Fifth Essence is (like God) Unmentioned
Replies: 4
Views: 1522

Re: Quintessence: The Fifth Essence is (like God) Unmentioned

Leucius_Charinus wrote: Sun Nov 07, 2021 5:55 pm After almost 10 years I was wondering whether I am still banned on this public discussion forum.
Welcome back. You're unbanned and can also use your other handle (without the underscore in it) again.
by Peter Kirby
Fri Nov 26, 2021 5:20 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Gullotta and Hurtado versus Carrier: a 'dialogue' between deaf
Replies: 225
Views: 8565

Re: Gullotta and Hurtado versus Carrier: a 'dialogue' between deaf

If you say you're not going to provide any citations because you want me to flap around, we both know I'm going to interpret that as you having zero evidence. Eh, to be honest with you I've actually already come to that conclusion. I'm pretty darned sure your sole basis for thinking that is that La...
by Peter Kirby
Thu Nov 25, 2021 11:49 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Gullotta and Hurtado versus Carrier: a 'dialogue' between deaf
Replies: 225
Views: 8565

Re: Gullotta and Hurtado versus Carrier: a 'dialogue' between deaf

And you don't even have evidence that the church father citations DID omit the word "again". I took a look into it, and that's just something that Lataster said in a footnote without a citation. There is, quite honestly, nothing here. You're just discrediting yourself here. You found an u...
by Peter Kirby
Thu Nov 25, 2021 10:36 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Gullotta and Hurtado versus Carrier: a 'dialogue' between deaf
Replies: 225
Views: 8565

Re: Gullotta and Hurtado versus Carrier: a 'dialogue' between deaf

"Yes, it is." Sorry dude, saying "Yes it is yes it is" isn't evidence nor an explanation. The presence or absence of the word "again" from a bunch of off-hand memory citations of Galatians 2 (which you haven't yet provided a scholarly reference for yet) means, quite li...
by Peter Kirby
Thu Nov 25, 2021 9:56 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Gullotta and Hurtado versus Carrier: a 'dialogue' between deaf
Replies: 225
Views: 8565

Re: Gullotta and Hurtado versus Carrier: a 'dialogue' between deaf

Plus, the lack of the word "again" isn't an inkling of evidence in favour of the earlier ref to Jerusalem being an interpolation. Yes, it is. How the hell do you even make a leap in logic like that? With a cool head. Try it sometime. "The original text of Galatians emphasized the ind...
by Peter Kirby
Thu Nov 25, 2021 9:25 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Gullotta and Hurtado versus Carrier: a 'dialogue' between deaf
Replies: 225
Views: 8565

Re: Gullotta and Hurtado versus Carrier: a 'dialogue' between deaf

Paul's letters were insanely popular and distributed across the whole of the geography of Christianity very quickly. The idea that Marcion's Apostolikon from around 140 was mass interpolated and that mass interpolated version instantly replaced the versions of Paull across the whole Mediterranean i...
by Peter Kirby
Thu Nov 25, 2021 9:16 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Gullotta and Hurtado versus Carrier: a 'dialogue' between deaf
Replies: 225
Views: 8565

Re: Gullotta and Hurtado versus Carrier: a 'dialogue' between deaf

So Irenaeus has the word "again" in Gal. 2:1 (which isn't even the point of discussion). But here: "Irenaeus (A.H. 3.13), Tertullian’s quotation of Marcion (A.M. 5.3.1), Augustine (Quaestionum Evangeliorum 2.40, Migne PL vol. 35 col. 1355), John Chrysostom (Commentary on Galatians 2....
by Peter Kirby
Thu Nov 25, 2021 9:06 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Gullotta and Hurtado versus Carrier: a 'dialogue' between deaf
Replies: 225
Views: 8565

Re: Gullotta and Hurtado versus Carrier: a 'dialogue' between deaf

karavan wrote: Thu Nov 25, 2021 8:50 pm "We know that, 100% of the time, manuscript evidence cannot turn up any variants that are prior to the archetype."

And yet the "archetype" tends to survive into the manuscript period when there's a relevant amount of manuscript attestation. That's a fact.
What?
by Peter Kirby
Thu Nov 25, 2021 9:02 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Gullotta and Hurtado versus Carrier: a 'dialogue' between deaf
Replies: 225
Views: 8565

Re: Gullotta and Hurtado versus Carrier: a 'dialogue' between deaf

Marcion probably butchered the crap out of his version of Paul's letters. That is a possibility. However, the opposite must also be considered: subsequent publishers of the Apostolikon interpolated the hell out of it. We already know that they added at least three entire letters (1 Timothy, 2 Timot...
by Peter Kirby
Thu Nov 25, 2021 8:31 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Gullotta and Hurtado versus Carrier: a 'dialogue' between deaf
Replies: 225
Views: 8565

Re: Gullotta and Hurtado versus Carrier: a 'dialogue' between deaf

Michael the Syrian DOES have some variance though: he says, not that Christ "was" the Christ in his version, but that he was "believed to be the Christ". And Agapius provides even closer evidence. Agapius: "At this time there was a wise man who was called Jesus His conduct ...