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by RandyHelzerman
Sat Apr 27, 2024 6:42 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?
Replies: 79
Views: 1535

Re: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?

He became a Christian, by interacting with Christians. As this was the first generation of Christians, they *all* became christians by interacting with Christians! By the same place I mean "the Land of Israel." When you say "the Land of Israel" I wonder if you are having a simil...
by RandyHelzerman
Sat Apr 27, 2024 5:53 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?
Replies: 79
Views: 1535

Re: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?

it doesn't seem implausible to me if this Simon interacted with Christians, In Acts, he *was* a Christian. seeing that they all lived in the same place and were active at the same time. They all lived a few blocks away from the Temple in Jerusalem? :-) I think the woman at the well would find it st...
by RandyHelzerman
Sat Apr 27, 2024 5:40 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Clement and truthy-ness
Replies: 0
Views: 28

Clement and truthy-ness

For, even if they should say something true, one who loves the truth should not, even so, agree with them. one must never give way . . . but should even deny it on oath. Is this a thing? Does Clement elsewhere, or any other church father explicitly tell a disciple to never agree with their opponent...
by RandyHelzerman
Sat Apr 27, 2024 4:56 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?
Replies: 79
Views: 1535

Re: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?

John2 wrote: Sat Apr 27, 2024 3:35 pm Another way to look at it (assuming Josephus' Simon is the same as the one in Acts)
Assuming pigs had wings, they could fly.

John2, do you believe Acts is history? That every episode it talks about actually happened, as written?
by RandyHelzerman
Sat Apr 27, 2024 4:55 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?
Replies: 79
Views: 1535

Re: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?

John2 wrote: Sat Apr 27, 2024 3:00 pm It's enough for me that Josephus paints the magician Simon as a "bad" person (the same way he paints
I'm just glad *my* name isn't Simon.
by RandyHelzerman
Sat Apr 27, 2024 2:14 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?
Replies: 79
Views: 1535

Re: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?

Well, but if he was Josephus' magician Simon, then he was a real person, like Theudas and Judas the Galilean. If. Reminds me of what the Spartans told Philip of Macedon, when he sent a message to the Spartans, "You are advised to submit without further delay, for if I bring my army into your l...
by RandyHelzerman
Sat Apr 27, 2024 1:28 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: naked or nakeds in the "Letter to Theodore"
Replies: 9
Views: 261

Re: naked or nakeds in the "Letter to Theodore"

Whoever wrote this, which is more plausible, in context: naked man with naked man or naked men with naked man? How can I have reliable intuitions about the text.....before I even know what the text says??? My intuitions, such as they are, is that once you see γυμνοί γυμνώ in those images, it's real...
by RandyHelzerman
Sat Apr 27, 2024 12:55 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?
Replies: 79
Views: 1535

Re: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?

My guess is that the author of Luke/Acts knew Josephus and incorporated his "bad" guy magician Simon into his work, the same way they incorporated the "bad" guys Theudas and Judas the Galilean. Theudas and Judas remain "bad" guys in Acts and so does Simon. In a sense i...
by RandyHelzerman
Sat Apr 27, 2024 10:42 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Every time Paul mentions Mark, he also mentions Luke
Replies: 26
Views: 646

Re: Every time Paul mentions Mark, he also mentions Luke

Since this is the only one you commented on, can I assume you agree with all there rest of the points :-) *chuckle* Marcion is trying in good faith to prepare a critical edition of the original Gospel using Luke as a basis, then it is IMO plausible that he would be reluctant to remove material from ...
by RandyHelzerman
Fri Apr 26, 2024 7:15 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?
Replies: 79
Views: 1535

Re: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?

Well, no, but I assume the author of Acts was aware of Jer. 37 and the stories seem very similar. For me, that's just a bridge too far. Acts is in the new covenant, the new testament. We are having a new relationship with God (and if you are marcionite, a completely different God :-)) But we know t...