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by Ken Olson
Mon Apr 22, 2024 10:25 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Marcion’s Gospel and the New Testament: Catalyst or Consequence?
Replies: 28
Views: 324

Re: Marcion’s Gospel and the New Testament: Catalyst or Consequence?

But Marcion may well not be the first to write a book about Jesus and a book (largely) about Paul. True, but: The author of Luke-Acts may have preceded him. That's literally the first time I heard anybody, anywhere, posit that Luke-Acts may have been written before the letters of Paul. I would be v...
by Ken Olson
Mon Apr 22, 2024 7:25 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Marcion’s Gospel and the New Testament: Catalyst or Consequence?
Replies: 28
Views: 324

Re: Marcion’s Gospel and the New Testament: Catalyst or Consequence?

It is unclear whether Marcion's Evangelion came before Luke, or vice versa. But there's no question that Marcion's New Testament came before Athenasius's. Marcion was the first we know about who had the brilliant idea of combining stories of Jesus with letters of Paul, and offering it up as being o...
by Ken Olson
Mon Apr 22, 2024 5:50 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Gospel priority
Replies: 108
Views: 3303

Re: Gospel priority

Have you read Mark Goodacre's 'Fatigue in the Synoptics" or his introductory book: The Synoptic Problem: A Way Through the Maze, which has a section on the argument from fatigue? It doesn't sound like you have grasped the argument or why it would be convincing to anyone. You're just saying tha...
by Ken Olson
Sun Apr 21, 2024 1:29 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Gospel priority
Replies: 108
Views: 3303

Re: Which Came First? The EuChrisken or The Easter Egg?

This suggests that in GJohn's time (c. 150) it was recognized that GMark was the original Gospel narrative. KK pointed out that Christian Bible scholarship is gradually accepting that GMark is mostly critical of Peter and The Disciples. They are still resisting the significance of 16:8 as the endin...
by Ken Olson
Sat Apr 20, 2024 4:52 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Gospel priority
Replies: 108
Views: 3303

Re: Gospel priority

Luke omits the part of the parable where the seed sprang up quickly because it lacked depth of soil. However, he still provides an interpretation for that part of the parable! Where Mark’s seed on the rock withered “because it had no root”, Luke changes the reason to be that “it withered for lack o...
by Ken Olson
Sat Apr 20, 2024 2:25 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Antitheses and the origin of Luke
Replies: 46
Views: 922

Re: The Antitheses and the origin of Luke

This is an incredible thread. Got my head buzzing, and I have questions about many of the topics brought up here: Did Marcion know about the claim that Luke was the author of Luke? Did he know the name "Luke"? Tertullian certainly did, and he certainly presupposes more or less that Marcio...
by Ken Olson
Sat Apr 20, 2024 1:02 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Antitheses and the origin of Luke
Replies: 46
Views: 922

Re: The Antitheses and the origin of Luke

Andrew has already offered a reasonable answer to this question, but I would like to add that I find the question itself seems to suggest that this is an odd or perhaps counterintuitive view in need of a special defense, which I don't think it is. No, not in those words. How about just a defense of...
by Ken Olson
Sat Apr 20, 2024 11:42 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Antitheses and the origin of Luke
Replies: 46
Views: 922

Re: The Antitheses and the origin of Luke

Andrew has already offered a reasonable answer to this question, but I would like to add that I find the question itself seems to suggest that this is an odd or perhaps counterintuitive view in need of a special defense, which I don't think it is. No, not in those words. How about just a defense of...
by Ken Olson
Sat Apr 20, 2024 6:52 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Gospel priority
Replies: 108
Views: 3303

Re: Gospel priority

I don't think any of the evangelists that were later gathered into the four gospel canon meant for his work to be read alongside other gospels which had equal authority. I sometimes wonder about John vis-a-vis Mark, whether it was intended to be a John and Mark situation by the author of John. The ...
by Ken Olson
Sat Apr 20, 2024 6:20 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Antitheses and the origin of Luke
Replies: 46
Views: 922

Re: The Antitheses and the origin of Luke

It's one thing for Marcion to say 'this was the original, that was an interpolation' when he does not know. It's another thing if Marcion originated the gospel text and wanted it to be accepted. In that case, transparency is unexpected. IMHO Marcion explicitly presented his Gospel text as a critica...