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by Ken Olson
Sun May 05, 2024 1:01 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Peter Schäfer on the origin of the accusation against Jesus of being a Samaritan
Replies: 9
Views: 131

Re: Peter Schäfer on the origin of the accusation against Jesus of being a Samaritan

Peter Schäfer, Jesus in the Talmud , p. 122 [ pp. 111-112 ], my bold: It is left to the vicious acumen of Tertullian to summarize what the Jews think of Jesus. When he vividly imagines the last day of judgment—with the emperors who claimed to have been taken up to heaven, the governors of the provi...
by Ken Olson
Sat May 04, 2024 12:46 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Couchoud's 'Is Marcion's Gospel One of the Synoptics?'
Replies: 39
Views: 6649

Re: Couchoud's 'Is Marcion's Gospel One of the Synoptics?'

And it seems Loisy thought that Origen thought Marcion alluded to the sons of Zebedee pericope. No, you missed the distinction between what Marcion himself may have written in the Evangelion and what later Marcionites may have written about Marcion. Andrew Criddle and Peter Kirby have discussed the...
by Ken Olson
Sat May 04, 2024 12:04 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Couchoud's 'Is Marcion's Gospel One of the Synoptics?'
Replies: 39
Views: 6649

Re: Couchoud's 'Is Marcion's Gospel One of the Synoptics?'

And it seems Loisy thought that Origen thought Marcion alluded to the sons of Zebedee pericope. No, you missed the distinction between what Marcion himself may have written in the Evangelion and what later Marcionites may have written about Marcion. Andrew Criddle and Peter Kirby have discussed the...
by Ken Olson
Sat May 04, 2024 6:39 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Couchoud's 'Is Marcion's Gospel One of the Synoptics?'
Replies: 39
Views: 6649

Re: Couchoud's 'Is Marcion's Gospel One of the Synoptics?'

And yet Loisy seems to concede that in the case of the prayer of the Lord, a modification has been made directly against Marcion. At least judging from the reply by Couchoud: I will try to show that, to the four canonical Gospels, there must be added the Gospel of Marcion, now lost but almost compl...
by Ken Olson
Sat May 04, 2024 5:08 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Couchoud's 'Is Marcion's Gospel One of the Synoptics?'
Replies: 39
Views: 6649

Re: Couchoud's 'Is Marcion's Gospel One of the Synoptics?'

Giuseppe wrote: Fri May 03, 2024 9:03 pm Ken, can you share the entire Loisy's article? Thank you in advance for any answer.
No, I believe it's still under copyright. But if what you are interested in is what Loisy says about the birth narratives in the article, here it is:
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Ken
by Ken Olson
Sat May 04, 2024 5:03 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Couchoud's 'Is Marcion's Gospel One of the Synoptics?'
Replies: 39
Views: 6649

Re: Couchoud's 'Is Marcion's Gospel One of the Synoptics?'

Loisy's response to Couchoud concerning the two pericopes of material which are not attested in Luke: Loisy - Reply - Bottom 379.png Loisy - Reply - Top 380.png Loisy's argument against Couchoud, to put it simply, is that the attestation for attributing these two pericopes to Marcion is insufficien...
by Ken Olson
Fri May 03, 2024 12:50 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Couchoud's 'Is Marcion's Gospel One of the Synoptics?'
Replies: 39
Views: 6649

Re: Couchoud's 'Is Marcion's Gospel One of the Synoptics?'

II. ...... < omitted> "In order to reach an incontrovertible conclusion, one must obviously begin by comparing those parts of the gospel common to both Luke and Marcion with the sections peculiar to each. It is almost invariably the sections peculiar to Luke which come under discussion, as tho...
by Ken Olson
Fri May 03, 2024 5:03 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Couchoud's 'Is Marcion's Gospel One of the Synoptics?'
Replies: 39
Views: 6649

Re: Couchoud's 'Is Marcion's Gospel One of the Synoptics?'

More precisely, Couchoud replies to Loisy as to the Marcion/Luke question in the following way (p. 442-443): I will try to show that, to the four canonical Gospels, there must be added the Gospel of Marcion, now lost but almost completely reconstituted from quotations. M. Loisy assigns it “an inter...
by Ken Olson
Fri May 03, 2024 3:58 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Couchoud's 'Is Marcion's Gospel One of the Synoptics?'
Replies: 39
Views: 6649

Re: Couchoud's 'Is Marcion's Gospel One of the Synoptics?'

The Hibbert Journal also published a reply to Couchoud by Alfred Loisy. It is well worth a read, but unfortunately I have not been able to find it freely available anywhere on the interwebs.

Alfred Loisy, 'Marcion's Gospel. A Reply', Hibbert Journal 34 (1936) 378-387.

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Ken
by Ken Olson
Wed May 01, 2024 10:41 am
Forum: Academic Discussion
Topic: γυμνὸς or γυμνοὶ in Clement's Letter to Theodore?
Replies: 132
Views: 18728

Re: Chain of Custody of the Images

A bit of the oral history of the images: I noticed something disturbing in one of the images Ken sent me---I don't know if this is in your repo or not, Peter. But if you zoom in on the letters you will notice that image has been doctored such that there is an array of light blue rectangles over the...