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by John2
Wed Mar 27, 2024 4:02 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Legend of James the Just and His Martyrdom
Replies: 43
Views: 589

Re: The Legend of James the Just and His Martyrdom

I'm not sure if the Ascents of James should be in both options though, even after all you've said, since James doesn't die in that account. In all the other accounts (in both of your options) James dies. If there was an oral tradition that James was beaten to death that started it all, why did the A...
by John2
Wed Mar 27, 2024 2:58 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Legend of James the Just and His Martyrdom
Replies: 43
Views: 589

Re: The Legend of James the Just and His Martyrdom

Are you claiming that there were never any oral traditions or Christian stories told about the death of James prior to Hegesippus? Good question, and I guess my answer is no I"m not saying that, since it was surely a big event for Christians (and I also think the James passage in Josephus is g...
by John2
Wed Mar 27, 2024 2:29 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Legend of James the Just and His Martyrdom
Replies: 43
Views: 589

Re: The Legend of James the Just and His Martyrdom

You're not interacting with what I wrote at all here. I pointed out the parallels in a much more detailed way already, and I already concluded that there is a literary relationship between them. It just seems simpler to suppose that Hegesippus was known to Clement and whoever wrote the Second Apoca...
by John2
Wed Mar 27, 2024 1:24 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Legend of James the Just and His Martyrdom
Replies: 43
Views: 589

Re: The Legend of James the Just and His Martyrdom

I'm still not sure I understand the "Hegesippus combined two sources" idea. After taking another look at Clement and the Second Apocalypse of James, I'm inclined to suspect that these two sources used Hegeisppus, since they both post-date Hegesippus (Clement having been born when Hegesippu...
by John2
Sat Mar 23, 2024 11:40 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Legend of James the Just and His Martyrdom
Replies: 43
Views: 589

Re: The Legend of James the Just and His Martyrdom

So for me this beating is a separate event in James' life unique to the Recognitions (is James' death even mentioned in the Clementine writings? I don't recall offhand and maybe I've missed something in this thread). James' stoning and beating in Hegesippus seems like a complete story to me, given ...
by John2
Fri Mar 22, 2024 3:52 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Legend of James the Just and His Martyrdom
Replies: 43
Views: 589

Re: The Legend of James the Just and His Martyrdom

Hegesippus: this source combines pre-existing stories, including a story about the death of James involving the fuller's club and a different story of stoning from the Second Apocalypse of James. I think these stories go together, given that servants of priests are said to have beaten people with c...
by John2
Thu Mar 21, 2024 3:47 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Is *Ev a source of the Gospel of the Ebionites?
Replies: 39
Views: 819

Re: Is *Ev a source of the Gospel of the Ebionites?

I have serious reservations with following the timeline from any church father, especially Epiphanius. Not only is he writing in the 4th century, far removed from the scene of the crime, and he is not above making stuff up (like the Nazarenes antedating Christ). Might you be confusing Nazarenes (Ep...
by John2
Thu Mar 21, 2024 3:29 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Is *Ev a source of the Gospel of the Ebionites?
Replies: 39
Views: 819

Re: Is *Ev a source of the Gospel of the Ebionites?

That isn't what you said. Yes, it is. No it is not. You said: "So having access to and using a Jewish gospel wouldn't be unusual for Marcion (especially one that was largely anti-OT/anti-sacrifice)" The syntactic construction of this line reads that Marcion would use a Jewish Gospel that ...
by John2
Wed Mar 20, 2024 1:55 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Is *Ev a source of the Gospel of the Ebionites?
Replies: 39
Views: 819

Re: Is *Ev a source of the Gospel of the Ebionites?

As far as Ebionites go, I view the Jewish Christians who hated Paul in Acts as "proto-Ebionites," and given the subject of this thread, I think it's worth noting that these Jews are said to have come from "the province of Asia," which is close to where Marcion is said to have com...
by John2
Wed Mar 20, 2024 1:21 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Is *Ev a source of the Gospel of the Ebionites?
Replies: 39
Views: 819

Re: Is *Ev a source of the Gospel of the Ebionites?

- Paul had a gospel that was judiazed One can see this contrasting Acts with the Epistles In what way does Acts "judaize" Paul? Paul calls himself a Jew (Gal. 2:15: "We who are Jews by birth") and was willing to be Torah observant around Jews (1 Cor. 9:5: "To the Jews I bec...