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by John2
Fri Oct 15, 2021 1:15 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Why did the Gnostics use Paul and Gospels?
Replies: 40
Views: 1001

Re: Why did the Gnostics use Paul and Gospels?

But setting aside the value judgement, you can take "weird" to mean not mainstream.
by John2
Fri Oct 15, 2021 1:09 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Why did the Gnostics use Paul and Gospels?
Replies: 40
Views: 1001

Re: Why did the Gnostics use Paul and Gospels?

They weren't weird Steve. They were typical Jewish mystics only developing tradition from the gospel and traditional Jewish writings. Well, we're all "weird" (as humans), and it all seems "weird" to me (meaning Judaism and Christianity), from the OT on down. But some Jews and Ch...
by John2
Fri Oct 15, 2021 12:57 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Why did the Gnostics use Paul and Gospels?
Replies: 40
Views: 1001

Re: Why did the Gnostics use Paul and Gospels?

How do you know they were "gentiles"? Are you defining gentiles to include first or second generation converts to Judaism, who might still have one foot in the other culture? My impression is that most (if not all) Gnostic writings (I'm thinking Nag Hammadi stuff) were written by gentiles...
by John2
Fri Oct 15, 2021 12:35 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Why did the Gnostics use Paul and Gospels?
Replies: 40
Views: 1001

Re: Why did the Gnostics use Paul and Gospels?

Irish1975 wrote: Fri Oct 15, 2021 9:11 am
John2 wrote: Thu Oct 14, 2021 2:29 pm Gnostics were "weirdos" who interpreted the religious and philosophical writings of their time in "weird" ways. Why did they bother to do that? Because they were weird.
As opposed to Nicene Christianity?

It's a matter of degree.
by John2
Thu Oct 14, 2021 2:29 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Why did the Gnostics use Paul and Gospels?
Replies: 40
Views: 1001

Re: Why did the Gnostics use Paul and Gospels?

I don't think Paul and the first Gospels were created by Gnostics. I wonder why they took any interest in them, at a time when they were apparently more interested in them than anyone else? I think that even if you read a reconstruction of Marcion's Gospel and Pauline letters, the Judaism in them s...
by John2
Fri Oct 08, 2021 4:12 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: A Clementine Tradition: Peter after Paul
Replies: 22
Views: 653

Re: A Clementine Tradition: Peter after Paul

1. It fails to address the conundrum of the "first Paul, then Peter" narrative. The problem is even worse if the Clementine author knew Acts, was alluding to an episode it, and was contradicting its most essential storyline (first Peter, then Paul). The Peter of CH2.17 cannot be referring...
by John2
Fri Oct 08, 2021 4:03 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: A Clementine Tradition: Peter after Paul
Replies: 22
Views: 653

Re: A Clementine Tradition: Peter after Paul

neilgodfrey wrote: Fri Oct 08, 2021 3:24 pm
Thanks Secret. But you're way ahead of me in this area. Is there another site with the translation into English as well?


Here is a site with English translations only.


https://compassionatespirit.com/Books/index.htm
by John2
Fri Oct 08, 2021 11:50 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: A Clementine Tradition: Peter after Paul
Replies: 22
Views: 653

Re: A Clementine Tradition: Peter after Paul

Baur suggests in Paul the Apostle that the destruction of the holy place refers to the desecration of the temple by the blasphemous teachings and actions of Simon (Paul) see Acts 21:28 ...This is the man who teaches everyone everywhere against our people and our law and this place. And besides, he ...
by John2
Thu Oct 07, 2021 3:23 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: A Clementine Tradition: Peter after Paul
Replies: 22
Views: 653

Re: A Clementine Tradition: Peter after Paul

I've never seen this before and maybe I'm missing something now or not understanding you correctly, but it looks to me like the Simon in Hom. 2.17 is Simon Magus and not Peter. I was presupposing the view—which perhaps ought to be considered in detail—that “Simon” in the Clementines refers to Paul....
by John2
Thu Oct 07, 2021 2:53 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: A Clementine Tradition: Peter after Paul
Replies: 22
Views: 653

Re: A Clementine Tradition: Peter after Paul

I've never seen this before and maybe I'm missing something now or not understanding you correctly, but it looks to me like the Simon in Hom. 2.17 is Simon Magus and not Peter.