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- Mon Apr 22, 2024 4:32 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Nag Hammadi Codices and their Ancient Readers
- Replies: 1
- Views: 95
- Mon Apr 22, 2024 3:47 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Most Manuscripts are not Primary Sources
- Replies: 164
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Manuscripts of the "Fathers" are not Primary Sources (they are Secondary Sources)
Manuscripts of the "Fathers" are Secondary Sources not Primary Sources The writings of the church fathers are evidence of early Christianity but IMHO they certainly do not represent primary sources of evidence. These writings of the church fathers - in the form of physical artefactual man...
- Mon Apr 22, 2024 3:41 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Monarchianism, Sabellianism, and Arianism
- Replies: 6
- Views: 235
Re: Monarchianism, Sabellianism, and Arianism
. "Arius' entire effort consisted precisely in acclimatizing Plotinic logic within biblical creationism." /// ( it sounds like Arianism considered the Son to be like a Platonic Demiurge ) /// I would contend the opposite to your quote, and more broadly, ie., that philosophies, both inside...
- Mon Apr 22, 2024 2:34 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Most Manuscripts are not Primary Sources
- Replies: 164
- Views: 276107
Re: Marcion’s Gospel and the New Testament: Catalyst or Consequence?
We have own opinions - someone once said - but not our own facts. And it is facts, is it not, that in the search for early christian origins, are in short supply. Yes MH that is certainly the case. "History is no epic, history is no novel, history is no propaganda because in these literary gen...
- Sun Apr 21, 2024 5:55 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Monarchianism, Sabellianism, and Arianism
- Replies: 6
- Views: 235
Re: Monarchianism, Sabellianism, and Arianism
/// Arianism /// In the end, the difference between Arians and their detractors was really quite small, essentially just whether the Son had always existed eternally (as with the Father), or whether the Son was considered to have been begotten at a certain time (in the past) and whether the Son was...
- Fri Apr 19, 2024 2:22 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Melito called Jesus the Father. What are some other strange Christologies found in the Church Fathers?
- Replies: 3
- Views: 158
Re: Melito called Jesus the Father. What are some other strange Christologies found in the Church Fathers?
There is the "Arian Christology" reported on the earliest Nicene Creed:
There was time when He was not.
Before He was born He was not.
He was made out of nothing existing.
He is/was from another subsistence/substance.
He is subject to alteration or change.
Before He was born He was not.
He was made out of nothing existing.
He is/was from another subsistence/substance.
He is subject to alteration or change.
- Thu Apr 18, 2024 4:14 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Possible Historical Allusions in the Nag Hammadi Library
- Replies: 26
- Views: 7471
Re: Possible Historical Allusions in the Nag Hammadi Library
The name of the Father is the Son by Raoul Mortley 1992, Neoplatonism and Gnosticism ABSTRACT "The name of the Father is the Son" is a discussion of Gospel of Truth , and its background in Neoplatonism and the Eunomian debates around the time of Gregory of Nyssa. There is an addendum by m...
- Sat Apr 13, 2024 2:47 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Was "IS XS" a "consistent code name" like 007?
- Replies: 12
- Views: 486
Re: Was "IS XS" a "consistent code name" like 007?
Whether you could, if they let you, talk to MI6, but you cannot speak with ancient Christians, so? They knew who it referred to. If you have a different, alternate, reading, what is that? The whole thing is simply popular fiction. The "Church", IC, the letters, the Apostles... all of it. ...
- Wed Apr 10, 2024 12:34 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Is BeDuhn right? Are patristic scholars terrified that almost all patristic manuscripts are medieval and later?
- Replies: 5
- Views: 286
Re: Is BeDuhn right? Are patristic scholars terrified that almost all patristic manuscripts are medieval and later?
So the question is: Are patristic scholars terrified that almost all patristic manuscripts are medieval and later? Isn't the late dating of most extant texts well-known, though? I've seen it acknowledged in lots of secondary sources when discussing provenance of texts like Justin Martyr's. The more...
- Mon Apr 08, 2024 2:46 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Is BeDuhn right? Are patristic scholars terrified that almost all patristic manuscripts are medieval and later?
- Replies: 5
- Views: 286
Is BeDuhn right? Are patristic scholars terrified that almost all patristic manuscripts are medieval and later?
Jack Bull asks about the neglect of Marcionite studies: Why have they -- why are colleagues (secular and biblical) -- not engaging with us properly ... about Marcionite studies? [/i] Jason BeDuhn gives the following answer: 24:45 "Intellectual inertia. And just to be very frank very poor qualit...