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by Leucius Charinus
Sun Nov 27, 2022 5:07 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Heresiology before 325 CE has been forged: NT Apocryphal literature is a Post-Nicene reaction to the NT Bible.
Replies: 215
Views: 14734

Re: Chrestianity preceded Christianity, and redaction criticism demonstrates it in abundance

The order of texts: Thomas writes his text about self salvation: the kingdom is of your inside and of your eye. It's not about any Jesus we know, not about Christianity, not even about Chrestianity: Thomas precedes all that John takes that into a narrative, fully breathing the spirituality of Thoma...
by Leucius Charinus
Thu Nov 24, 2022 1:39 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: From Chrestian to Christian - Philip beyond the grave
Replies: 5
Views: 284

Re: From Chrestian to Christian - Philip beyond the grave

Well done. The Gospel attributed to Philip is a key early-Christian text With respect to the relationship between "Chrestian" and "Christian" this text appears to serve as some form of "Rosetta Stone" since the text attests to the explicit form of these terms. Yes well...
by Leucius Charinus
Wed Nov 23, 2022 9:19 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Heresiology before 325 CE has been forged: NT Apocryphal literature is a Post-Nicene reaction to the NT Bible.
Replies: 215
Views: 14734

Re: Heresiology before 325 CE has been forged: NT Apocryphal literature is a Post-Nicene reaction to the NT Bible.

Okay, so you walk the "turn any evidence against my hypothesis into evidence for my thesis by claiming the instigators were such devious geniuses that they even forged all dissent outside of their apologetic literature" route. Noted. See Point (2) in the OP 2) The social identity of the a...
by Leucius Charinus
Wed Nov 23, 2022 6:03 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Heresiology before 325 CE has been forged: NT Apocryphal literature is a Post-Nicene reaction to the NT Bible.
Replies: 215
Views: 14734

Re: Heresiology before 325 CE has been forged: NT Apocryphal literature is a Post-Nicene reaction to the NT Bible.

Tell me a good reason why someone who wants to establish orthodoxy would forge or redact a text of Origen that still - in the form it reaches us today - tells us that the canonical gospels are full of contradictions and impossible statements and cannot be literally true. https://en.wikipedia.org/wi...
by Leucius Charinus
Wed Nov 23, 2022 5:45 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Heresiology before 325 CE has been forged: NT Apocryphal literature is a Post-Nicene reaction to the NT Bible.
Replies: 215
Views: 14734

Re: Heresiology before 325 CE has been forged: NT Apocryphal literature is a Post-Nicene reaction to the NT Bible.

One might be able to propose some kind of 5th dimensional chess is being played, but it seems unlikely. I have proposed that the study of history is like trying to solve a 4 dimensional jig saw puzzle. The writings of Origen are a good example. We may assume they have been transmitted to us from a ...
by Leucius Charinus
Wed Nov 23, 2022 5:31 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Heresiology before 325 CE has been forged: NT Apocryphal literature is a Post-Nicene reaction to the NT Bible.
Replies: 215
Views: 14734

Re: Heresiology before 325 CE has been forged: NT Apocryphal literature is a Post-Nicene reaction to the NT Bible.

What Origen really wrote, and that much of what he wrote, seems to be up for debate, based on what I have gleaned from researching Pamphilus and finding out about what he and Eusebius are said to have written about Origen, and how that was received by the likes of Rufinus and Jerome, and disputed b...
by Leucius Charinus
Wed Nov 23, 2022 5:17 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Heresiology before 325 CE has been forged: NT Apocryphal literature is a Post-Nicene reaction to the NT Bible.
Replies: 215
Views: 14734

Re: Heresiology before 325 CE has been forged: NT Apocryphal literature is a Post-Nicene reaction to the NT Bible.

My main issue here is that, while forgers may forge texts that refute supposed critics or heretics [..............] they usually don't forge texts that doubt their own main religious texts. (1) When the NT Greek NT was first widely published c.325 CE in the rule of Constantine the each of the four ...
by Leucius Charinus
Wed Nov 23, 2022 4:53 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Heresiology before 325 CE has been forged: NT Apocryphal literature is a Post-Nicene reaction to the NT Bible.
Replies: 215
Views: 14734

Re: Heresiology before 325 CE has been forged: NT Apocryphal literature is a Post-Nicene reaction to the NT Bible.

Or perhaps, Origen has personality. Bots don't have personality. Even today. With AI it won't be long. Why should we expect so much personality from a supposedly ancient 'bot'? Never under-estimate forgeries. Especially those created by the ludicrously wealthy and influential church industry and th...
by Leucius Charinus
Wed Nov 23, 2022 4:49 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Heresiology before 325 CE has been forged: NT Apocryphal literature is a Post-Nicene reaction to the NT Bible.
Replies: 215
Views: 14734

Re: Heresiology before 325 CE has been forged: NT Apocryphal literature is a Post-Nicene reaction to the NT Bible.

Which in turn brings me to what I was actually addressing with this example: Origen is obviously one of the more intellectually capable early Christian writers, and this intellectual capability even shows in his writings that deal with obviously orthodox Christian texts. Why would anyone forging Ch...
by Leucius Charinus
Wed Nov 23, 2022 4:31 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Heresiology before 325 CE has been forged: NT Apocryphal literature is a Post-Nicene reaction to the NT Bible.
Replies: 215
Views: 14734

Re: Heresiology before 325 CE has been forged: NT Apocryphal literature is a Post-Nicene reaction to the NT Bible.

That's not a core Christian message but a hilarious superstition. Hey Klaus. Don't you acknowledge that the Evangelists wrote by the Holy Spirit? Surely the Holy Spirit is not an hilarious superstition? 3. WHAT WE ARE TO THINK OF THE DISCREPANCIES BETWEEN THE DIFFERENT GOSPELS. We must, however, tr...