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by StephenGoranson
Tue Apr 16, 2024 10:00 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Greek Monks Who Thought the Letter to Theodore was in the Mar Saba Monastery Before Morton Smith Arrives
Replies: 171
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Re: Greek Monks Who Thought the Letter to Theodore was in the Mar Saba Monastery Before Morton Smith Arrives

Peter, I already mentioned the publication of such a memory--if it existed--could have been of any date previous to his vaguely-stated remark. You can say not yet "tracked down the origin." I can say maybe his memory was faulty. I welcome you or any other yet-additional people search for s...
by StephenGoranson
Tue Apr 16, 2024 9:46 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Greek Monks Who Thought the Letter to Theodore was in the Mar Saba Monastery Before Morton Smith Arrives
Replies: 171
Views: 1219

Re: Greek Monks Who Thought the Letter to Theodore was in the Mar Saba Monastery Before Morton Smith Arrives

I am not shutting down the question, Peter.
Look for such a mention. Feel free. By all means.
What I did write was that in my opinion finding such is unlikely because many people for many years have looked for it, didn't find that, and that such likely-suspect publications are limited.
by StephenGoranson
Tue Apr 16, 2024 9:39 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Greek Monks Who Thought the Letter to Theodore was in the Mar Saba Monastery Before Morton Smith Arrives
Replies: 171
Views: 1219

Re: Greek Monks Who Thought the Letter to Theodore was in the Mar Saba Monastery Before Morton Smith Arrives

What I mean by "no such thing" is the lack of any cited published mention of a 16th- or 17th-century witness* to the "Letter to Theodore" and/or "Secret Mark."

*or earlier [added]
by StephenGoranson
Tue Apr 16, 2024 9:32 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Greek Monks Who Thought the Letter to Theodore was in the Mar Saba Monastery Before Morton Smith Arrives
Replies: 171
Views: 1219

Re: Greek Monks Who Thought the Letter to Theodore was in the Mar Saba Monastery Before Morton Smith Arrives

We agree (I guess) that he could well have meant, in effect, cited from an older text in a later publication.
Why I said that was "probably" mistaken is because he, and many others, for many years, have looked and found no such thing.
by StephenGoranson
Tue Apr 16, 2024 9:27 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Greek Monks Who Thought the Letter to Theodore was in the Mar Saba Monastery Before Morton Smith Arrives
Replies: 171
Views: 1219

Re: Greek Monks Who Thought the Letter to Theodore was in the Mar Saba Monastery Before Morton Smith Arrives

I agree that the putatively-remembered publication was not dated--but I did not say that it was!
Merely, that it (of any date!) would probably have been brought forward by now.
by StephenGoranson
Tue Apr 16, 2024 9:22 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Greek Monks Who Thought the Letter to Theodore was in the Mar Saba Monastery Before Morton Smith Arrives
Replies: 171
Views: 1219

Re: Greek Monks Who Thought the Letter to Theodore was in the Mar Saba Monastery Before Morton Smith Arrives

No evidence Smith told the monks in 1958.
One could call Smith an unreliable narrator.
But: "....secret Gospel of Mark....I couldn't suppress it: I'd already told Scholem...."
by StephenGoranson
Tue Apr 16, 2024 9:17 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Greek Monks Who Thought the Letter to Theodore was in the Mar Saba Monastery Before Morton Smith Arrives
Replies: 171
Views: 1219

Re: Greek Monks Who Thought the Letter to Theodore was in the Mar Saba Monastery Before Morton Smith Arrives

If such a 16th- or 17th-century mention in a publication existed, probably someone would have noticed it by now. The Voss book was published in 1646, so any 16th-century (1500s) text could not have been about that volume. Quesnell was not the first to doubt "Secret Mark." E.g., Pierson Par...
by StephenGoranson
Tue Apr 16, 2024 8:03 am
Forum: Jewish Texts and History
Topic: "Rediscovered Fragments Shed New Light on a Proto-Masoretic Torah Scroll"
Replies: 0
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"Rediscovered Fragments Shed New Light on a Proto-Masoretic Torah Scroll"

"Rediscovered Fragments Shed New Light on a Proto-Masoretic Torah Scroll" Paul Sanders, J. of Hebrew Scriptures v. 35 a.5, 23 pages [2023] During the past decade, two fragments of a single Torah scroll caught much attention, since they date from the 7th or 8th century CE.1 They are among t...