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by Secret Alias
Sun Jan 26, 2025 7:15 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Marcion's tentacles: Simul stabunt vel simul cadent
Replies: 12
Views: 226

Re: The Marcion's tentacles: Simul stabunt vel simul cadent

Harnack (from memory) notices there are intimations of Marcion's knowledge of the prologue to Mark in Irenaeus: John, however, does himself put this matter beyond all controversy on our part, when he says, "He was in this world, and the world was made by Him, and the world knew Him not. He came...
by Secret Alias
Sun Jan 26, 2025 2:42 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Even the heretics ignored Mark
Replies: 12
Views: 210

Re: Even the heretics ignored Mark

If Mark was heretical why would someone tell us that? Who is this truth teller from among the Church Fathers to side against John and Papias on Mark? What Papias reports from John is enough to know that from among the thousands of early Christians in the first half of the second century at least a s...
by Secret Alias
Fri Jan 24, 2025 6:11 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Patrologia Graeca OCR
Replies: 13
Views: 1490

Re: Patrologia Graeca OCR

It might also imply that Marcionism was a reaction against the pre-existent "son of David" community. I don't know.
by Secret Alias
Fri Jan 24, 2025 6:10 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Patrologia Graeca OCR
Replies: 13
Views: 1490

Re: Patrologia Graeca OCR

In case anyone wants to go beyond pretending to understand Marcion, at the core of his tradition - Jesus was NOT the son of David. All the rest of the statements from the Church Fathers about the Jews, his hating the Jews, his agreeing with the Jews that the(ir) messiah hadn't come, derives from thi...
by Secret Alias
Fri Jan 24, 2025 3:35 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Patrologia Graeca OCR
Replies: 13
Views: 1490

Re: Patrologia Graeca OCR

Yes, Lord." No longer did they say, "Yes, Son of David," but rather,
"Yes, Lord." They recalled the delay, and thus
immediately confessed, saying, "Yes, Lord, we believe
that you are able to do this." Then, the Lord,
The lesson of Marcion
by Secret Alias
Thu Jan 23, 2025 12:37 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The historicity of Marcion
Replies: 35
Views: 726

Re: The historicity of Marcion

I think Justin addressed something to the Emperor. We get an echo of a Christian addressing Antoninus Pius in the Death of Peregrinus (from memory).
by Secret Alias
Sun Jan 19, 2025 5:58 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: If Mark is the First Gospel, What Could Possibly Explain the Normative Tradition Preserving But Ignoring It?
Replies: 28
Views: 581

Re: If Mark is the First Gospel, What Could Possibly Explain the Normative Tradition Preserving But Ignoring It?

Before I get into all of that this statement needs to be addressed: Nihil origine sua prius est in agnitione, quia nec in dispositione ... This seems suspiciously like the statement that opens up the fifth book: Nihil sine origine nisi deus solus. Quae quantum praecedit in statu omnium rerum, tantum...
by Secret Alias
Sun Jan 19, 2025 4:56 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: If Mark is the First Gospel, What Could Possibly Explain the Normative Tradition Preserving But Ignoring It?
Replies: 28
Views: 581

Re: If Mark is the First Gospel, What Could Possibly Explain the Normative Tradition Preserving But Ignoring It?

This statement too conforms to Carlson's understanding of τάξις in Papias. "Nothing is prior to its origin in recognition, because it is not even in arrangement. Suddenly the Son, and suddenly sent, and suddenly Christ. But I think nothing from God is sudden, because nothing from God is not arr...