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by Giuseppe
Sun Nov 28, 2021 1:02 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Does the ʺearthly kingdomʺ hypothesis imply necessarily a historical Jesus?
Replies: 15
Views: 229

Re: Does the ʺearthly kingdomʺ hypothesis imply necessarily a historical Jesus?

Georgios Sidirountios's thesis is available here: there is a chapter arguing for early Christian texts having particular hostility against the Greeks as people inter alia (meaning not all the Gentiles, but the ethnic Greeks).
by Giuseppe
Sat Nov 27, 2021 10:39 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: New thoughts on the Book of Revelation
Replies: 27
Views: 421

Re: New thoughts on the Book of Revelation

E.P.Sanders and W.D.Davies would agree with the logic of Gmirkin's argument: ‘The entire teaching material which is attributed to Jesus points away from his being a revolutionary in a way that would actually have threatened Rome. Either the evangelists have not only invented the Jewish trial scenes,...
by Giuseppe
Sat Nov 27, 2021 10:04 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: New thoughts on the Book of Revelation
Replies: 27
Views: 421

Re: New thoughts on the Book of Revelation

Thanks to Russell for this exhaustive answer: I would view Jesus as “teacher” to mean someone bringing wisdom, enlightenment, and ethical truths on a theoretical level. It is common to portray Jesus as a teacher, like a sort of wandering Cynic philosopher. The gospels indeed promote this sort of ima...
by Giuseppe
Sat Nov 27, 2021 9:47 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Does the ʺearthly kingdomʺ hypothesis imply necessarily a historical Jesus?
Replies: 15
Views: 229

Re: Does the ʺearthly kingdomʺ hypothesis imply necessarily a historical Jesus?

In my view (and Gmirkin's view I think), if a Christian text symphatizes with the Zealots of the besieged and expugned Jerusalem (see Gmirkin's comments for the argument), then that Christian text is evidence of Jewish-Christians going deliberately against the Pax Romana , and not only against the P...
by Giuseppe
Sat Nov 27, 2021 12:53 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The precise point about Paul where Georgios Sidirountios meets Joseph Turmel
Replies: 0
Views: 44

The precise point about Paul where Georgios Sidirountios meets Joseph Turmel

The other problem in testing the historicity of these reports is that Paul appears to be preaching for the resurrected rather than for the pre‑resurrected Jesus. I have also analysed in the first Chapter that the resurrected Jesus was unknown in the earliest texts of Matthew and Mark, and the quest...
by Giuseppe
Sat Nov 27, 2021 11:12 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Does the ʺearthly kingdomʺ hypothesis imply necessarily a historical Jesus?
Replies: 15
Views: 229

Re: Does the ʺearthly kingdomʺ hypothesis imply necessarily a historical Jesus?

As Georgios Sidirountios says, the early Christians didn't pose merely a threat against the Pax Deorum, but against the same Pax Romana.
by Giuseppe
Sat Nov 27, 2021 8:21 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: New thoughts on the Book of Revelation
Replies: 27
Views: 421

Re: New thoughts on the Book of Revelation

With all due respect, the term "preacher" in English has different connotations than simply being "a person who addresses masses by crying a slogan ("Follow me!") or other"; such a person is better described by other terms, such as agitator, leader, or provoker. an ins...
by Giuseppe
Sat Nov 27, 2021 7:47 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Question about Earl Doherty's arguments about Christian apologists
Replies: 5
Views: 122

Re: Question about Earl Doherty's arguments about Christian apologists

Possibly a source of influence on Doherty about the Apologists was a Catholic cardinal, Jean Danielou, who insisted on the crucifixion being for the early Christian Apologists not at all a source of embarrassment, but a bright event, an epiphany of glory, a real Transfiguration. Hence the entire tal...
by Giuseppe
Sat Nov 27, 2021 7:39 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: New thoughts on the Book of Revelation
Replies: 27
Views: 421

Re: New thoughts on the Book of Revelation

It escapes me how a Theudas could derive so many people near the Jordan without being a preacher of some kind, i.e. a person who addresses masses by crying a slogan ("Follow me!") or other. If I am correct, Josephus's point again and again is that the rebels, all the rebels, had some sophi...
by Giuseppe
Sat Nov 27, 2021 5:40 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: New thoughts on the Book of Revelation
Replies: 27
Views: 421

Re: New thoughts on the Book of Revelation

Neil, can you ask to Russell about why he writes (see my post above): The idea that Jesus was a teacher is a late idea peculiar to the later gospels and is not reflected in Revelatio ...when Josephus describes the various messianists, Theudas, "Egyptian", Judas the Galilean, Atronges, etc,...