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by Giuseppe
Sat Nov 27, 2021 12:53 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The precise point about Paul where Georgios Sidirountios meets Joseph Turmel
Replies: 0
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The precise point about Paul where Georgios Sidirountios meets Joseph Turmel

The other problem in testing the historicity of these reports is that Paul appears to be preaching for the resurrected rather than for the pre‑resurrected Jesus. I have also analysed in the first Chapter that the resurrected Jesus was unknown in the earliest texts of Matthew and Mark, and the quest...
by Giuseppe
Sat Nov 27, 2021 11:12 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Does the ʺearthly kingdomʺ hypothesis imply necessarily a historical Jesus?
Replies: 10
Views: 145

Re: Does the ʺearthly kingdomʺ hypothesis imply necessarily a historical Jesus?

As Georgios Sidirountios says, the early Christians didn't pose merely a threat against the Pax Deorum, but against the same Pax Romana.
by Giuseppe
Sat Nov 27, 2021 8:21 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: New thoughts on the Book of Revelation
Replies: 25
Views: 338

Re: New thoughts on the Book of Revelation

With all due respect, the term "preacher" in English has different connotations than simply being "a person who addresses masses by crying a slogan ("Follow me!") or other"; such a person is better described by other terms, such as agitator, leader, or provoker. an ins...
by Giuseppe
Sat Nov 27, 2021 7:47 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Question about Earl Doherty's arguments about Christian apologists
Replies: 1
Views: 27

Re: Question about Earl Doherty's arguments about Christian apologists

Possibly a source of influence on Doherty about the Apologists was a Catholic cardinal, Jean Danielou, who insisted on the crucifixion being for the early Christian Apologists not at all a source of embarrassment, but a bright event, an epiphany of glory, a real Transfiguration. Hence the entire tal...
by Giuseppe
Sat Nov 27, 2021 7:39 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: New thoughts on the Book of Revelation
Replies: 25
Views: 338

Re: New thoughts on the Book of Revelation

It escapes me how a Theudas could derive so many people near the Jordan without being a preacher of some kind, i.e. a person who addresses masses by crying a slogan ("Follow me!") or other. If I am correct, Josephus's point again and again is that the rebels, all the rebels, had some sophi...
by Giuseppe
Sat Nov 27, 2021 5:40 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: New thoughts on the Book of Revelation
Replies: 25
Views: 338

Re: New thoughts on the Book of Revelation

Neil, can you ask to Russell about why he writes (see my post above): The idea that Jesus was a teacher is a late idea peculiar to the later gospels and is not reflected in Revelatio ...when Josephus describes the various messianists, Theudas, "Egyptian", Judas the Galilean, Atronges, etc,...
by Giuseppe
Sat Nov 27, 2021 1:40 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: New thoughts on the Book of Revelation
Replies: 25
Views: 338

Re: New thoughts on the Book of Revelation

I would invite Russell to make it clear why he writes so in answer to ABuddhist: There are several points in my careful line of argumentation that you have missed. Revelation reflects a Jewish Christianity that did not view Jesus through the lens of the gospels, which were not written at that time (...
by Giuseppe
Sat Nov 27, 2021 1:34 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Does the ʺearthly kingdomʺ hypothesis imply necessarily a historical Jesus?
Replies: 10
Views: 145

Re: Does the ʺearthly kingdomʺ hypothesis imply necessarily a historical Jesus?

Quasi in answer to your question, Neil has started a thread about the Book of Revelation being pro-Zealot and anti-Vespasian propaganda. Read in particular the comments of Gmirkin and Doudna on Vridar. Hardly one can deny that Revelation is bloodthirsty, more precisely thirsty for Roman blood. The ...
by Giuseppe
Sat Nov 27, 2021 1:17 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: New thoughts on the Book of Revelation
Replies: 25
Views: 338

Re: New thoughts on the Book of Revelation

But a Jesus whose only noteworthy deed was to get crucified upon the Earth is not worthy of respect insofar as he is less obviously a saviour and did not give allegedly profound teachings. A seditious Jesus had to be a preacher , too, hence, put bluntly, you ca n't refer to Russell the view of &quo...
by Giuseppe
Sat Nov 27, 2021 12:43 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Evangelion of Marcion (as reconstructed by Wautier)
Replies: 18
Views: 348

Re: Evangelion of Marcion (as reconstructed by Wautier)

I very much wonder if Waultier has not mistaken commentary on known Marcionite doctrinal teaching, something Marcionite teachers would use in their hermeneutic explanation of scripture, for the text itself. Why? If we have Irenaeus who accused Marcion about his Christ saving the Genesiac Serpent, t...