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by Giuseppe
Wed Jun 29, 2022 9:47 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: zoom conf. "Next Quest for the Historical Jesus"
Replies: 20
Views: 550

Re: zoom conf. "Next Quest for the Historical Jesus"

mlinssen wrote: Mon Jun 27, 2022 1:15 pm Promises to be a very, very entertaining session
Are you sure?

Stephen Young seems to be a historicist. Where is the presumed fun?
by Giuseppe
Sat Jun 25, 2022 5:45 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: "The Framework of the Story of Jesus" by Karl Ludwig Schmidt
Replies: 57
Views: 2183

Re: "The Framework of the Story of Jesus" by Karl Ludwig Schmidt

andrewcriddle wrote: Sat Jun 25, 2022 4:02 am
One may well know, on this model, quite a lot about things Jesus did and said.
or: one may well know, on this model, quite a lot about things the risen Christ did and said.
by Giuseppe
Sat Jun 25, 2022 3:17 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Is the river Jordan (where John would have baptized) explained by midrash?
Replies: 5
Views: 132

Re: Is the river Jordan (where John would have baptized) explained by midrash?

Thank you! So one can't even use the Jordan as a historical detail.
by Giuseppe
Fri Jun 24, 2022 11:49 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Joseph Turmel's solution of the enigma called «John the Baptist»
Replies: 3
Views: 450

Re: Joseph Turmel's solution of the enigma called «John the Baptist»

Also the pseudo-Clementines remember the conflict between Simon Magus and Dositheus on the legacy of John the Baptist, so giving further support to the thesis that John's function was to represent someone of important. It was not the figure of John per se the real object of dispute, but the entity h...
by Giuseppe
Fri Jun 24, 2022 9:48 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Is the river Jordan (where John would have baptized) explained by midrash?
Replies: 5
Views: 132

Re: Is the river Jordan (where John would have baptized) explained by midrash?

Someway the implication is that only by using ad infinitum the water of the Jordan, John was able to baptize the enormous crowd coming to be baptized by him. No Jordan, no enormous crowd of baptized people. So the river Jordan is introduced only to make the point that John required a lot of water fo...
by Giuseppe
Fri Jun 24, 2022 9:42 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Is the river Jordan (where John would have baptized) explained by midrash?
Replies: 5
Views: 132

Re: Is the river Jordan (where John would have baptized) explained by midrash?

Obviously the answer may be simpler than I have thought: baptism requires water, and the only relatively famous river of the region was the Jordan.
by Giuseppe
Fri Jun 24, 2022 9:40 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Is the river Jordan (where John would have baptized) explained by midrash?
Replies: 5
Views: 132

Is the river Jordan (where John would have baptized) explained by midrash?

I ask to experts of midrash about Elijah: what is the midrashical origin of the river Jordan, as location for the baptism given by John?

Thanks in advance for the answer.
by Giuseppe
Fri Jun 24, 2022 9:21 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Joseph Turmel's solution of the enigma called «John the Baptist»
Replies: 3
Views: 450

Re: Joseph Turmel's solution of the enigma called «John the Baptist»

I open again this thread because the Chris Albert Wells's theory about Jesus and John being two rival (invented) heirs of the Teacher of Righeousness resembles closely the Turmel's view about John being a mask for a rival (Judaizing) Jesus, versus the gentilizing Jesus. Really, on both the theories ...
by Giuseppe
Thu Jun 23, 2022 12:25 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Definitive evidence that Marcion knew no Pilate at all
Replies: 13
Views: 232

Re: Definitive evidence that Marcion knew no Pilate at all

The real risk of extinction for Jews was not Claudius, nor Titus, but Hadrian, with his Aelia Capitolina and the ban of circumcision. At any case, what do you think about Loisy pointing out emphatically the anti-marcionite character of the following "pauline" passage, where Pilate is menti...
by Giuseppe
Thu Jun 23, 2022 12:09 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Definitive evidence that Marcion knew no Pilate at all
Replies: 13
Views: 232

Re: Definitive evidence that Marcion knew no Pilate at all

Always Loisy reiterates the point of the use of Pilate against Marcion in p. 166: La «belle confession» du Christ martyr est assurément celle dont parlent les Evangiles , mais ce n'est pas directement des Evangiles que vient la mention de Ponce-Pilate, elle vient d'une formée déjà officielle de la p...