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by Giuseppe
Sun Oct 17, 2021 9:34 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Is Paul anti-Roman just as the Book of Revelation?
Replies: 5
Views: 112

Re: Is Paul anti-Roman just as the Book of Revelation?

In my humble and modest view, Turmel appears to have resolved a lot of otherwise enigmatic passages in the pauline epistles. But he has raised other enigmas and dilemmas. For example, by removing all the mysticism from the epistles, a question imposes itself: are we legitimized still to assume that ...
by Giuseppe
Sun Oct 17, 2021 9:11 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Is Paul anti-Roman just as the Book of Revelation?
Replies: 5
Views: 112

Re: Is Paul anti-Roman just as the Book of Revelation?

Note that in the chapter on 1 Thessalonians, the words following after what I have just quoted above are:

Redaction marcionite

...meaning that then Turmel starts to list the interpolations in the epistle.
by Giuseppe
Sun Oct 17, 2021 9:09 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Is Paul anti-Roman just as the Book of Revelation?
Replies: 5
Views: 112

Re: Is Paul anti-Roman just as the Book of Revelation?

What anti-Roman apocalypticism in Paul does Turmel appeal to? My eye is fallen rapidly on the incipit of 1 Thessalonians. Here is Turmel who speaks: La rédaction paulinienne comprend le chapitre premier; le morceau qui va de 2:17 à 3:13; les instructions 4:9-12 et 5:11 sous déduction de 5:10; enfin...
by Giuseppe
Sun Oct 17, 2021 6:15 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: All the evidence of early separationism
Replies: 4
Views: 69

Re: All the evidence of early separationism

Last but not least, I note that the separationism is what, among different christologies, lends itself more than any other Christology to being portrayed by a sacred drama. A sacred drama where the actor who plays the role of the victim represents, and only represents, the human recipient of the spi...
by Giuseppe
Sun Oct 17, 2021 5:55 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: All the evidence of early separationism
Replies: 4
Views: 69

Re: All the evidence of early separationism

I would add the following item of the same evidence pointing to a Separationist christology: About the Samaritan figure Dositheus, Epiphanius said that he died in a cave. Is not this a parody of the Cerinthian belief that the carnal Jesus died and didn't rise , at least not until the collective resu...
by Giuseppe
Sun Oct 17, 2021 5:40 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: All the evidence of early separationism
Replies: 4
Views: 69

Re: All the evidence of early separationism

The sense would be that the separationism is assumed from the beginning of the story until to his ideal end, the general resurrection of the dead, i.e. read: a collective resurrection of Israel, when the Ezekiel's prophecy will be realized and "they shall become one in thine hand", the han...
by Giuseppe
Sun Oct 17, 2021 5:34 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: All the evidence of early separationism
Replies: 4
Views: 69

Re: All the evidence of early separationism

Given all this evidence (have I ignored something?), the following questions have to be raised: is really necessary to assume, contra Occam, the existence of well two traditions of two Messiah, one suffering and the other triumphing ? Is really necessary to distinguish the original "christologi...
by Giuseppe
Sun Oct 17, 2021 5:21 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: All the evidence of early separationism
Replies: 4
Views: 69

All the evidence of early separationism

I would like to list all the items of the evidence of separationism in general terms found until now: Mark was said to be used by separationists; in Mark there are indeed clues of separationism; someone has denied that Marcion was docetist, by claiming that he was really separationist; Cerinthus was...
by Giuseppe
Sun Oct 17, 2021 3:24 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Is Paul anti-Roman just as the Book of Revelation?
Replies: 5
Views: 112

Re: Is Paul anti-Roman just as the Book of Revelation?

Without disturb the Book of Revelation, I wonder if it is sufficient only to show that Paul's Jesus was expected to destroy the Romans, in order to prove that Paul wrote after the 70 CE.
by Giuseppe
Sun Oct 17, 2021 3:19 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Is Paul anti-Roman just as the Book of Revelation?
Replies: 5
Views: 112

Is Paul anti-Roman just as the Book of Revelation?

Reading Turmel on Paul, I observe that his historical Paul, inferred from the only portions of epistles considered genuine by Turmel (once removed all the marcionite and the catholic intepolations), believed that Jesus had been crucified and, after the resurrection, he would be come to destroy the R...