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by Giuseppe
Tue Apr 16, 2024 11:33 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Real story of Jesus
Replies: 8
Views: 148

Re: Real story of Jesus

Do you think that there was an original Testimonium in Josephus's book 18 of Antiquities? I understand what is your point, only I think that it is not necessary to assume a reference to a rebel later replaced by the current TF. The episode of the Samaritan Impostor may be sufficient: he posed as the...
by Giuseppe
Tue Apr 16, 2024 7:10 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Abraham ibn Daud (d. 1180 CE): mythicism already then
Replies: 1
Views: 30

Abraham ibn Daud (d. 1180 CE): mythicism already then

If someone denies that Abraham Ibn Daud was a mythicist, I will reply in advance by quoting the words of Alvar Ellegard (see below): The historical works of the Jews state that this Joshua b. Perahyah was the teacher of Jesus the Nazarene. If this is so, he lived in the time of king Jannaeus. Howeve...
by Giuseppe
Tue Apr 16, 2024 7:00 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Were Marcionites keepers of the original Christian faith?
Replies: 10
Views: 159

Re: Were Marcionites keepers of the original Christian faith?

Were the Marcionites the keepers of the original Christian faith? The best reconstruction of Christian Origins under the hypothesis that anti-demiurgism was the original Christianity has been already given by Jean Magne, Georges Ory and recently Martijn Linssen. I think that their case is serious b...
by Giuseppe
Tue Apr 16, 2024 3:04 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: New book on Yeshu ha-Notsri
Replies: 1
Views: 48

Re: New book on Yeshu ha-Notsri

The idea that Jesus didn't exist because the his prototype lived 100 years before the Gospel dating of Jesus would seem to be very stupid (when compared to other mythicist views), if it wasn't for the pure and simple fact that it is the only mythicist view that can vaunt the evidence of the accusati...
by Giuseppe
Tue Apr 16, 2024 2:47 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: New book on Yeshu ha-Notsri
Replies: 1
Views: 48

New book on Yeshu ha-Notsri

Truth of the following remark: The Wagenseil version has a unique position among mythicists and other pseudo-historians as a tool employed to attack dominant scholarly opinions about the historical Jesus. In this domain, the alternative chronology is still very much a living tradition. (Gavin McDowe...
by Giuseppe
Tue Apr 16, 2024 2:38 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Real story of Jesus
Replies: 8
Views: 148

Re: Real story of Jesus

JarekS wrote: Tue Apr 16, 2024 12:07 amthe first commercial gospel *Ev,
I like a lot the expression. Thank you.
by Giuseppe
Mon Apr 15, 2024 8:55 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Is 'called Christ' in Ant 20:200 a Christian gloss just as 'born by woman' is a Catholic gloss in Gal 4:4?
Replies: 12
Views: 181

Re: Is 'called Christ' in Ant 20:200 a Christian gloss just as 'born by woman' is a Catholic gloss in Gal 4:4?

GakuseiDon wrote: Mon Apr 15, 2024 7:56 pmChrist is a son via a woman, while Christians are sons via adoption:
Also I am son of a woman, and baptized at the birth. Where is the contrast between me and the Son? It would be there if Jesus is the pre-existent Son of god, without no woman as mother.
by Giuseppe
Mon Apr 15, 2024 8:52 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: What is the final legacy of Marcion at the end?
Replies: 11
Views: 129

Re: What is the final legacy of Marcion at the end?

The end times were imminent, about to happen any time. The exact thing denied by Mark 13:7: When you hear of wars and rumors of wars, do not be alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come Even if the abomination etc is Titus, the false Christs are Lukuas of Cyrene and Bar-Kokhba.
by Giuseppe
Mon Apr 15, 2024 12:31 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: What is the final legacy of Marcion at the end?
Replies: 11
Views: 129

Re: What is the final legacy of Marcion at the end?

Because the implication is that at least some Gospel pericopes in a canonical gospel are, strange to say, affected by marcionism and/or anti-marcionism. Which implies that given the other known fact that the synoptical pericopes of different gospels are strictly connected between them, probably also...
by Giuseppe
Mon Apr 15, 2024 12:18 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: What is the final legacy of Marcion at the end?
Replies: 11
Views: 129

Re: What is the final legacy of Marcion at the end?

My point here is different: Even assuming the more subtle concession a conservative reader may give to the storm called Marcion, i.e. that both Marcion and Luke are based on a proto-Luke (in turn based on Matthew), the result is still a strong shadow of doubt on the certainty that a first gospel (Ma...