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- Wed May 15, 2024 9:44 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Does ransom theory indicate Jesus was heavenly?
- Replies: 4
- Views: 115
Re: Does ransom theory indicate Jesus was heavenly?
On the analogy of the Ascension of Isaiah, the appearance of the form of a man would provide a lack of awareness if and only if that was the predominant form among those Jesus was among. An angel moving among angels, a man moving among men. This points towards a setting not only where a descent hap...
- Wed May 15, 2024 9:32 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Mark knew Paul the Persecutor therefore *Ev precedes Mark
- Replies: 1
- Views: 30
Re: Mark knew Paul the Persecutor therefore *Ev precedes Mark
Evidence that Mark knew Paul the Persecutor:
Mark 1:9 is based on Galatians 1:14.
Mark 1:36-37 is based on Galatians 1:23.
Mark 1:9 is based on Galatians 1:14.
Mark 1:36-37 is based on Galatians 1:23.
- Wed May 15, 2024 9:12 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Mark knew Paul the Persecutor therefore *Ev precedes Mark
- Replies: 1
- Views: 30
Mark knew Paul the Persecutor therefore *Ev precedes Mark
What about this argument?
- FACT: In the marcionite Galatians there was none trace of Paul the Persecutor. The latter was a Catholic addition.
- FACT: Mark betrayes knowledge of Paul the Persecutor. *Ev doesn't.
- CONCLUSION: Therefore: *Ev precedes Mark.
- Wed May 15, 2024 8:50 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Does ransom theory indicate Jesus was heavenly?
- Replies: 4
- Views: 115
Re: Does ransom theory indicate Jesus was heavenly?
One frequently co-occuring component of the ransom myth is that the Son of God was killed without awareness of his true identity, which does fit quite nicely into the idea of appearing as a man among men. wrong. In the Ascension of Isaiah the passwords given through the lower heavens are designed t...
- Tue May 14, 2024 8:40 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: *Ev precedes Mark because Mark knew the Apostolikon
- Replies: 4
- Views: 173
Re: *Ev precedes Mark because Mark knew the Apostolikon
My case is even stronger than I imagined when I wrote the OP, since only few minutes after I read this : Based on the types of issues addressed and the earliest known evidence of a collection, Livesey dates the letters' emergence to the mid-second century and the Roman school of Marcion. (my bold) H...
- Tue May 14, 2024 8:02 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: *Ev precedes Mark because Mark knew the Apostolikon
- Replies: 4
- Views: 173
Re: *Ev precedes Mark because Mark knew the Apostolikon
In the case the last counter-objection is not fully understood by the reader: it is 100% expected that the presentation of Paul (I mean 'presentation' in the sense of 'launch') had been made in the manner Marcion did it: as a amazing novelty . And as such remembered even by the his opponents. It is ...
- Tue May 14, 2024 7:55 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: *Ev precedes Mark because Mark knew the Apostolikon
- Replies: 4
- Views: 173
*Ev precedes Mark because Mark knew the Apostolikon
The proof is the following: FACT: Mark knew the pauline epistles FACT: before Marcion, none knew the epistles of Paul (apart the teacher of Marcion: Cerdon). FACT: Marcion made the epistles known in the same moment he made *Ev known. CONCLUSION: therefore Mark could know the epistles only after the ...
- Tue May 14, 2024 7:33 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: The refusal of a sign as a Judaizing passage found in *Ev
- Replies: 6
- Views: 185
Re: The refusal of a sign as a Judaizing passage found in *Ev
Matthew is a proto-Tertullian in his reaction against Marcion. For example, the first two Temptations in Matthew are opposing the marcionite implication of the title of 'Son of God' (the implication being that the Son is God himself and as such he could do a lot of miracles ) by quoting the Jewish s...
- Tue May 14, 2024 5:29 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: The refusal of a sign as a Judaizing passage found in *Ev
- Replies: 6
- Views: 185
Re: The refusal of a sign as a Judaizing passage found in *Ev
My point behind the analogy is more subtle: a *Ev used but interpreted by Marcion is just as well dangerous in its effects as a *Ev written directly by Marcion.
Which is the reason why Klinghardt and Vinzent corroborate reciprocally their points.
Which is the reason why Klinghardt and Vinzent corroborate reciprocally their points.
- Mon May 13, 2024 8:28 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: The refusal of a sign as a Judaizing passage found in *Ev
- Replies: 6
- Views: 185
Re: The refusal of a sign as a Judaizing passage found in *Ev
This is the problem with the gospels. Even *Ev is a receptacle of different theologies, therefore Marcion was not so free from partial compromises with the ideology of the his own opponents. Well, assuming that he wrote the Evangelion. Alternately, he just received a text, like virtually everybody ...