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by Giuseppe
Fri May 10, 2024 8:59 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Last nail on the Testimonium Flavianum. Again.
Replies: 1
Views: 50

Last nail on the Testimonium Flavianum. Again.

https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/27782 His approach resembles a creative reinterpretation of the Zapruder film in which rampaging apes must have been in frame and secretly removed because Kubrick liked them and Kubrick and Zapruder are both from the 1960s and the CIA can do things like that....
by Giuseppe
Fri May 10, 2024 8:12 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: What is the evidence that the Simonians used Mark and not *Ev?
Replies: 8
Views: 131

Re: What is the evidence that the Simonians used Mark and not *Ev?

My vote for authorship of proto-Mark would go to Basilides. But for the interpolation of Paul’s letters (with Saturnilian materials) and the authorship of proto-Luke I would vote for Cerdo. Accordingly are you breaking the continuity between the interpolators of Paul's letters (with Saturnilian mat...
by Giuseppe
Fri May 10, 2024 8:08 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Further evidence that Ignatius faced old deniers of the historicity of Jesus
Replies: 96
Views: 16947

Re: Further evidence that Ignatius faced old deniers of the historicity of Jesus

Alvar Ellegard agrees with Reinach contra Kirby and Carrier about the interpretation of Ignatius: There are also general considerations in favour of placing the Gospels well into the second century CE. If the picture of Jesus that they give had been generally current, it is hard to understand why Ig...
by Giuseppe
Fri May 10, 2024 8:02 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Ellegard's Argument from Notoriety to fix Jesus under Pilate
Replies: 3
Views: 147

Re: Ellegard's Argument from Notoriety to fix Jesus under Pilate

As a dedicated Paulinist, Mark would have known, at least approximately, when Paul wrote his letters. Very a strange Paulinist, one who believes that Jesus was born "by woman" (I assume that the bit in Gal 4:4 is an anti-Marcionite interpolation). Apart that, I would agree with you on all...
by Giuseppe
Fri May 10, 2024 6:44 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: What is the evidence that the Simonians used Mark and not *Ev?
Replies: 8
Views: 131

Re: What is the evidence that the Simonians used Mark and not *Ev?

it seems that, insofar you use these words, you are unaware of the best cases against the authenticity of all the pauline epistles. I mean: the radical critics, Detering, Price. I do n't mean Bruno Bauer, even if he is the first of the radical critics. I am not saying that they are right. I am sayi...
by Giuseppe
Fri May 10, 2024 5:21 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: What is the evidence that the Simonians used Mark and not *Ev?
Replies: 8
Views: 131

Re: What is the evidence that the Simonians used Mark and not *Ev?

I have found the answer by the greatest of the radical critics: Van Manen . Van Manen is a perfect precursor of Matthias Klinghardt when the former described the Earliest Gospel in the following terms: As for their origin, the Gospels, on close comparison, point us back to (i.) an «oldest» written g...
by Giuseppe
Fri May 10, 2024 5:16 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: What is the evidence that the Simonians used Mark and not *Ev?
Replies: 8
Views: 131

Re: What is the evidence that the Simonians used Mark and not *Ev?

thus to say the Simonians were involved in the composition of the original epistles becomes: a corrupted form of the Simonians were involved in the composition which becomes: a corruption of something original created the epistles it seems that, insofar you use these words, you are unaware of the b...
by Giuseppe
Thu May 09, 2024 11:07 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: How accurate would be this interpretation of Daniel?
Replies: 15
Views: 248

Re: How accurate would be this interpretation of Daniel?

Does the answer to your question really matter? I think it would matter to mythicists (as probably Sinouhe) who think that the author of the first gospel had to invent the entire Jesus's biography ex nihilo , including the date under Pilate. Even starting with the date itself. I think that it doesn'...
by Giuseppe
Thu May 09, 2024 8:33 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: What is the evidence that the Simonians used Mark and not *Ev?
Replies: 8
Views: 131

Re: What is the evidence that the Simonians used Mark and not *Ev?

The thread assumes that only on the premise that Simonians, Cerdonites and Marcionites wrote the original epistles, it is credible the thesis of an entirely fabricated corpus of epistles. Otherwise it is not credible and not worthy of attention.
by Giuseppe
Thu May 09, 2024 8:26 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: What is the evidence that the Simonians used Mark and not *Ev?
Replies: 8
Views: 131

What is the evidence that the Simonians used Mark and not *Ev?

Usually it is recognized among radical critics that all the Pauline letters ‘ ortas esse in Cerdonis vel Marcionitarum scholis ’, that means: they had been written in Marcionite/Kerdo’s school and firstly collected by ‘schoolmaster’ Marcion. Cerdon was said to be the follower of Simon Magus hence le...