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by Giuseppe
Tue Oct 19, 2021 11:08 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Dave Allen arguing for a genuine Testimonium Flavianum: a criticism
Replies: 34
Views: 1186

Re: Dave Allen arguing for a genuine Testimonium Flavianum: a criticism

Another intriguing quote comes, via Dave, from Ivan Prchlík: ...Koestermann wondered whether, when describing the years of 29–31, thus somewhere in the lost book V, Tacitus had not mentioned even the crucifixion of Jesus. One possible hint he saw in Tacitus’ mention of Pilate lacking any specificati...
by Giuseppe
Tue Oct 19, 2021 8:12 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Dave Allen arguing for a genuine Testimonium Flavianum: a criticism
Replies: 34
Views: 1186

Re: Dave Allen arguing for a genuine Testimonium Flavianum: a criticism

Heinrich Hammer ( Traktat vom Samaritanermessias ) proposed that Tacitus was based yes on Josephus, only he reported in his own manner what he read about the Samaritan false prophet slain by Pilate. Note in particular what Josephus wrote: But Pilate prevented their going up, by seizing upon the road...
by Giuseppe
Tue Oct 19, 2021 7:06 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Dave Allen arguing for a genuine Testimonium Flavianum: a criticism
Replies: 34
Views: 1186

Re: Dave Allen arguing for a genuine Testimonium Flavianum: a criticism

Another point of relative interest is the following (I quote from Dave's article): Even so, there are still traces of the previous Acts of Pilate released by Emperor Maximin contained in the Gospel of Nicodemus. In one of these Pilate informs the Jews that Jesus heals by the god Asclepius: Pilate sa...
by Giuseppe
Tue Oct 19, 2021 6:45 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Dave Allen arguing for a genuine Testimonium Flavianum: a criticism
Replies: 34
Views: 1186

Re: Dave Allen arguing for a genuine Testimonium Flavianum: a criticism

What has intrigued me in Dave's article is his reference to Stephen C. Carlson's post: http://hypotyposeis.org/weblog/author/Hypotyposeis A more interesting reference to Carlson's view on the Testimonium Taciteum being based on the original Testimonium Flavianum is given here : I’m hooked on the Tes...
by Giuseppe
Tue Oct 19, 2021 6:22 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: How, according to Turmel, the marcionites named the Demiurge: never 'god'
Replies: 4
Views: 65

Re: How, according to Turmel, the marcionites named the Demiurge: never 'god'

So Marcionism came later but from some earlier just as dualistic source? correct. I (personally) would add: and gentile source. Matthew omits what Luke has "I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven" Matthew didn't retain this bit because it was too Marcionite? Correct. So Couchoud (fro...
by Giuseppe
Tue Oct 19, 2021 5:35 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: How, according to Turmel, the marcionites named the Demiurge: never 'god'
Replies: 4
Views: 65

Re: How, according to Turmel, the marcionites named the Demiurge: never 'god'

Why have I quoted this particular passage from Turmel's commentary? Because if Turmel is right that the marcionites didn't reserve for YHWH not even the title of (inferior) 'god', then the possibility that the Marcionism was an evolution from a more mitigated (=less dualistic) older ditheism evapora...
by Giuseppe
Tue Oct 19, 2021 5:32 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: How, according to Turmel, the marcionites named the Demiurge: never 'god'
Replies: 4
Views: 65

Re: How, according to Turmel, the marcionites named the Demiurge: never 'god'

my translation via Deepl: The redaction of the epistle to the Epthesians is, as a whole, Marcionite. It is on this background that the Catholic editor has applied his embroidery. We already know the one he made in 3:5. Several others will be mentioned in the notes. I will deal here only with three a...
by Giuseppe
Tue Oct 19, 2021 5:25 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: How, according to Turmel, the marcionites named the Demiurge: never 'god'
Replies: 4
Views: 65

How, according to Turmel, the marcionites named the Demiurge: never 'god'

La rédaction de l'épître aux Ephésiens est, dans son ensemble, marcionite. C'est sur ce fond que l'éditeur catholique a appliqué ses broderies. Nous connaissons déjà celle qu'il a exécutée dans 3:5. Plusieurs autres seront signalées dans les notes. Je ne vais m'occuper ici que de trois retouches qu...
by Giuseppe
Mon Oct 18, 2021 8:16 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Dave Allen arguing for a genuine Testimonium Flavianum: a criticism
Replies: 34
Views: 1186

Re: Dave Allen arguing for a genuine Testimonium Flavianum: a criticism

I read in Dave's blog: the one mention of Jesus in the first century outside the Bible is right in the middle of the rebel passages. https://davesblogs.home.blog/2021/10/05/titulus-crux-king-of-the-jews/ The claim is simply, objectively, false. certain shameful practices happened about the temple of...
by Giuseppe
Mon Oct 18, 2021 2:58 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Is Paul anti-Roman just as the Book of Revelation?
Replies: 6
Views: 192

Re: Is Paul anti-Roman just as the Book of Revelation?

Cristoph Heilig has published a book where he appears to share the Turmel and Vermeiren's view about the presence of implicit anti-Roman subtext in Paul. At any case, it is simply embarrassing, for Heilig, to write the following: However, this does not hide the fact that in his letters Paul openly c...