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by Giuseppe
Wed Dec 08, 2021 4:29 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Does the Ascension of Isaiah condemn Peter and not Judas?
Replies: 1
Views: 27

Re: Does the Ascension of Isaiah condemn Peter and not Judas?

Now, surely the original Ascension of Isaiah is not pauline, even if Paul probably believed the same myth expressed by the Ascension of Isaiah (it is the core argument of Mythicism, isn't it?). So, how is it possible that a Jewish-Christian text attacks Peter , ignoring completely Paul or Judas? A p...
by Giuseppe
Wed Dec 08, 2021 4:23 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Does the Ascension of Isaiah condemn Peter and not Judas?
Replies: 1
Views: 27

Does the Ascension of Isaiah condemn Peter and not Judas?

2. After it is consummated, Beliar the great ruler, the king of this world, will descend, who hath ruled it since it came into being; yea, he will descent from his firmament in the likeness of a man, a lawless king, the slayer of his mother: who himself (even) this king. 3. Will persecute the plant...
by Giuseppe
Wed Dec 08, 2021 3:52 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Paul and the Vision of Isaiah
Replies: 48
Views: 756

Re: Paul and the Vision of Isaiah

More than a reaction, it would work as a harmonization: there is a birth, to satisfy growing catholicism, there is docetism, to satisfy Marcion Something of similar to Cerinthus's Christology: separationism and a higher god vs. the demiurge, but also a Jesus mere man son of Joseph and Mary and a pi...
by Giuseppe
Tue Dec 07, 2021 11:10 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: “Pontius Pilate” was merely a historicization of the original Greek “πόντος πιλητὸς” (dense sea)
Replies: 7
Views: 185

Re: “Pontius Pilate” was merely a historicization of the original Greek “πόντος πιλητὸς” (dense sea)

When he refers to clairvoyant investigators he means information allegedly obtained by paranormal means. He mentions the 'clairvoyant investigators' in this precise point: Instead of ΠONTIOYΠIΛATOY , the earliest Greek manuscripts which the clairvoyant investigators have yet been able to find all r...
by Giuseppe
Tue Dec 07, 2021 12:08 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: How Do We Explain the Complete Absence of Jesus Being 'Falsely Accused' of Wanting to Destroy the Temple in Luke?
Replies: 19
Views: 326

Re: How Do We Explain the Complete Absence of Jesus Being 'Falsely Accused' of Wanting to Destroy the Temple in Luke?

Robert Stahl argued also for the first gospel (proto-John) having Jesus prophet of destruction of the Temple, but he did so in a context where a such Jesus prophet of destruction of the Temple was a reaction to the Book of Revelation , where a celestial Temple is promised for the new Jerusalem. Give...
by Giuseppe
Mon Dec 06, 2021 9:59 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Paul and the Vision of Isaiah
Replies: 48
Views: 756

Re: Paul and the Vision of Isaiah

Jean Magne has an entire paragraph where he argues that a particular matter where both Gnostics and Judaizers did efforts to find a form of compromise was the birth of Jesus by Mary, where both a birth and the docetism (note that also the birth by Holy Spirit is a subtle form of survived docetism) s...
by Giuseppe
Mon Dec 06, 2021 9:38 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Paul and the Vision of Isaiah
Replies: 48
Views: 756

Re: Paul and the Vision of Isaiah

Why is Isaiah the one who has the vision?
Turmel says that the Fourth Gospel ("none has ascended to heaven, but only the Son") is a reaction against Ascension of Isaiah.
by Giuseppe
Mon Dec 06, 2021 9:35 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Paul and the Vision of Isaiah
Replies: 48
Views: 756

Re: Paul and the Vision of Isaiah

More than a reaction, it would work as a harmonization: there is a birth, to satisfy growing catholicism, there is docetism, to satisfy Marcion Something of similar to Cerinthus's Christology: separationism and a higher god vs. the demiurge, but also a Jesus mere man son of Joseph and Mary and a pio...
by Giuseppe
Mon Dec 06, 2021 9:15 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Jesus was Famous Because He was Alleged to Have Said 'I will destroy [the temple of Jerusalem]' Before 70 CE
Replies: 11
Views: 269

Re: Jesus was Famous Because He was Alleged to Have Said 'I will destroy [the temple of Jerusalem]' Before 70 CE

I have heard a fool Christian apologist argue that Jesus couldn't be the Samaritan false prophet slain by Pilate because that Samaritan false prophet very probably wanted the destruction of the Temple of Jerusalem, while the historical Jesus was too much "a true Jew" for wanting something ...
by Giuseppe
Mon Dec 06, 2021 6:56 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: In Acts of Pilate, the 'prince of hell' is modelled on Pilate
Replies: 0
Views: 49

In Acts of Pilate, the 'prince of hell' is modelled on Pilate

The pattern is identical: Gospels Acts of Pilate Jesus is betrayed to Pilate Jesus is betrayed to hell The Jews accuse Jesus before Pilate Satan accuses Jesus before the "prince of hell" Pilate doesn't want to condemn Jesus, knowing his innocence The 'prince of hell' doesn't want to resis...