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But....just when we got rid of one phantom gospel, we have to postulate another--an earlier version of Mark, which didn't have the baptism by John, and a lot of other things. True. Among the 'other things', in primis the Parable of the Vineyard, where the secrecy about the identity of the father of...

that they could easily fit Jesus into and create a polemical narrative with. Abraham ibn Daud (d. 1180 CE ) would disagree with you, insofar he wrote: The historical works of the Jews state that this Joshua b. Perahyah was the teacher of Jesus the Nazarene. If this is so, he lived in the time of ki...

StephenGoranson wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2024 7:19 am Dating Jesus to the time of Jannaeus is a mistake,
as I have discussed elsewhere.

you know the saying: "once thrown the stone, you can't hide your hand".

The following judgement by Richard Carrier about David Litwa is confirmed again and again: Litwa literally doesn’t know anything he is talking about. Yet he arrogantly—and dishonestly—represents himself as a studied expert. This is shameful and immoral—and extremely angering. Hands off Marcion! :x

Litwa:

But the Talmud placed Jesus under Janneus. The Jesus lived under Pilate was a myth, according to that Talmudic tradition.

Note then the implicit logical fallacy by Litwa: if the Mythicists want to be intellectually honest, then they have to argue for some form of absolute Marcionite priority (i.e. anti-demiurgist Origins of Christianity). When all the efforts by Richard Carrier are devoted to show that mythicism is coh...

I don't like the Litwa's post, frankly. The post seems to have been written by someone who knows only recently about the modern mythicist interest for Marcion (and *Ev's priority) and talks about it as of a modern trend. When really all the past mythicists had assumed already the *Ev's priority over...

Note how Litwa feels the moral duty of accusing the Mythicists of anti-Christianity, as if this only fact has to mean something. I find this quite fascinating, because this early Marcionite mythicism has the opposite purpose as modern atheistic mythicism. Modern mythicism aims, as far as I can tell,...

Interestingly, Klinghardt means the Temptation Story as the proof that Jesus is really the son of YHWH. The birth story in Luke and Matthew make it explicit the same proof by having the angel confirming to Joseph that the Holy Spirit has worked on Mary. These proofs are not necessary if the readers ...

Without offence, but the Ebionites don't matter in this thread. :thumbup: My apologies Giuseppe. All good. I get caught up in my own hobby horse! I'll start a new thread on that sometime rather than derail yours. it is better. :thumbup: In whiletime Peter Kirby continues to ignore the Klinghardt's ...