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by Giuseppe
Fri Dec 03, 2021 4:45 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Dujardin against Turmel
Replies: 3
Views: 71

Re: Dujardin against Turmel

Another great confutation of Turmel by Dujardin: The Book of Revelation (dated by Dujardin around the 70 CE), in the messages to 7 Churches, already reveals the existence of the Paulinism (as a threat), hence the Paulinism couldn't postdate the Book of Revelation. Now it becomes clear why Turmel was...
by Giuseppe
Fri Dec 03, 2021 4:35 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Dujardin against Turmel
Replies: 3
Views: 71

Re: Dujardin against Turmel

Hence, more a false Paul is close temporally to the writing of the first gospel, more the probability decreases that a such false Paul was unaware about a Gospel Jesus.

1 Timothy 6:13 docet.
by Giuseppe
Fri Dec 03, 2021 4:30 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Dujardin against Turmel
Replies: 3
Views: 71

Re: Dujardin against Turmel

I have just started the reading of this book. A first great confutation by Dujardin against Turmel is the impossibility, for a Marcion author of a Gospel , be the same Marcion who expanded so strongly the original epistles. Remember that the epistles are so silent about a historical Jesus that even ...
by Giuseppe
Thu Dec 02, 2021 10:12 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: On the expulsion of Jesus by the Jews according to Hierocles
Replies: 5
Views: 125

Re: On the expulsion of Jesus by the Jews according to Hierocles

the downfall of Jerusalem and the temple more than the downfall of the temple, what seems to have affected strongly the first gospel from the real world is the insistent Flavian propaganda. It seems also that the need of a reaction against a such propaganda was even more strong than other religious...
by Giuseppe
Thu Dec 02, 2021 1:02 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: "I have come from the force of the man for the destruction of your work."
Replies: 0
Views: 29

"I have come from the force of the man for the destruction of your work."

In a Gnostic text from Nagh Hammadi, the answer of Jesus to archontes questioning his identity doesn't leave a minimal shadow of doubt: "I have come from the force of the man for the destruction of your work." Hardly the same certainty is derived from Jesus's answer to Pilate: “Are you the...
by Giuseppe
Thu Dec 02, 2021 1:31 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Question about Earl Doherty's arguments about Christian apologists
Replies: 10
Views: 264

Re: Question about Earl Doherty's arguments about Christian apologists

In addition, after Couchoud and before Doherty, we have J. K. Watson, Le christianisme avant Jésus-Christ , who talked again and again about an outer space crucifixion in Paul, Hebrews, Revelation, the early Apologists, Didake, etc. For a list of old and modern proponents of outer space crucifixion,...
by Giuseppe
Thu Dec 02, 2021 1:19 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Question about Earl Doherty's arguments about Christian apologists
Replies: 10
Views: 264

Re: Question about Earl Doherty's arguments about Christian apologists

The idea of outer space crucifixion was advanced by G. J. P. J. Bolland, before, and then by Couchoud. It was already in the air in mythicist circles hence I don't think that it was born in an absolutely independent way in Doherty's mind. He was probably influenced via an indirect way by Couchoud. E...
by Giuseppe
Thu Dec 02, 2021 12:16 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Question about Earl Doherty's arguments about Christian apologists
Replies: 10
Views: 264

Re: Question about Earl Doherty's arguments about Christian apologists

For the chronicle, Doherty has been not the first to advance that the Early Apologists didn't know a historical Jesus. The thesis has been derived from past French mythicists.
by Giuseppe
Wed Dec 01, 2021 10:15 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Did early Christians Worship Openly or Secretly?
Replies: 5
Views: 124

Re: Did early Christians Worship Openly or Secretly?

To me, all that negative hearsay remembers the accusations of anti-nomianism: if the Law of the Creator has to be disobeyed, then the sin itself is a tool of liberation. Philo accused in similar terms some anti-demiurgists of the his time. Someone has advanced the hypothesis that the same worship of...
by Giuseppe
Wed Dec 01, 2021 10:06 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: On the expulsion of Jesus by the Jews according to Hierocles
Replies: 5
Views: 125

Re: On the expulsion of Jesus by the Jews according to Hierocles

never to stay in one place for too long A possibility for that is that the Marcionite Jesus didn't have a human body hence it had to be always in movement. “Foxes have dens, and birds of the sky have nests, but the Son of Man has no place to lay His head.” Also: could this brigand Christ be the rea...