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by Giuseppe
Sun Dec 05, 2021 1:26 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Pilate the Apostle?
Replies: 0
Views: 12

Pilate the Apostle?

Why was Pilate considered a Christian Apostle, possibly the First Apostle of Christ in Rome, even before Paul? The suspicion is that the goodness of Pilate is not a mere effect of an apology before Rome. But rather the contrary: that the assumed goodness of Pilate moved "Mark" (author) to ...
by Giuseppe
Sun Dec 05, 2021 8:17 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Why 1 Timothy 6:13 mentions Pilate
Replies: 1
Views: 41

Re: Why 1 Timothy 6:13 mentions Pilate

One may think that: ...just as Pilate was mentioned in an epistle in a time when the Christians were exhorted to proclaim openly their faith in a crucified Jew... ...so in the early times Pilate was NOT mentioned deliberately , to not disturb the authorities. The problem with this view is: how could...
by Giuseppe
Sun Dec 05, 2021 5:48 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Why 1 Timothy 6:13 mentions Pilate
Replies: 1
Views: 41

Why 1 Timothy 6:13 mentions Pilate

1 Timothy 6:13-14 In the sight of God, who gives life to everything, and of Christ Jesus, who while testifying before Pontius Pilate made the good confession , I charge you to keep this command without spot or blame until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ The reason of a such mention is not ant...
by Giuseppe
Sat Dec 04, 2021 1:42 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Buried clues about early Christianity from the context of Pliny’s letters?
Replies: 67
Views: 18018

Re: Buried clues about early Christianity from the context of Pliny’s letters?

Note that IF (a great IF indeed) Pliny is a forgery, then the probability increases greatly that the probable source of Tacitus about the Chrestiani was not his friend Pliny, but the books of Josephus himself, i.e. an original Testimonium Flavianum.
by Giuseppe
Sat Dec 04, 2021 1:37 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: If Marcion is primary, then what of John the Baptist?
Replies: 7
Views: 117

Re: If Marcion is primary, then what of John the Baptist?

Gotcha. Would you say that the Mandaean traditions are largely derivative of the earliest (proto-)Christian traditions? By your model, it sounds like they took that John the Baptist figure invented by the Christians and ran with it. yes, I think that the Mandeans attest only the existence of an old...
by Giuseppe
Sat Dec 04, 2021 1:08 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: If Marcion is primary, then what of John the Baptist?
Replies: 7
Views: 117

Re: If Marcion is primary, then what of John the Baptist?

To be clear: John the Baptist never existed. He is only another name to cover an embarrassing tradition dating back to the historical Jesus. Just as the first evangelist covered the disturbing traces of Jesus by collecting them under the invented very useful label of "John the Baptist"... ...
by Giuseppe
Sat Dec 04, 2021 12:47 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: If Marcion is primary, then what of John the Baptist?
Replies: 7
Views: 117

Re: If Marcion is primary, then what of John the Baptist?

My present opinion is that "John the Baptist" is a Gospel invention to cover, behind the image of a mere precursor (=="YHWH gives grace"), an embarrassing, rival portrait of Jesus held among some sects, possibly one dating back to a hypothetical historical Jesus. (Which means tha...
by Giuseppe
Sat Dec 04, 2021 10:16 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: “Pontius Pilate” was merely a historicization of the original Greek “πόντος πιλητὸς” (dense sea)
Replies: 5
Views: 101

Re: “Pontius Pilate” was merely a historicization of the original Greek “πόντος πιλητὸς” (dense sea)

arnoldo is absolutely wrong if he imagines, even only for a moment, that Mythicists doubt about the historicity of Pilate. Note Blood's comment above: People scoff at such interpretations today, but such thinking would hardly be out of place for Philo or any first century Christian historicizer. Reg...
by Giuseppe
Sat Dec 04, 2021 9:12 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: “Pontius Pilate” was merely a historicization of the original Greek “πόντος πιλητὸς” (dense sea)
Replies: 5
Views: 101

Re: “Pontius Pilate” was merely a historicization of the original Greek “πόντος πιλητὸς” (dense sea)

The author agrees with me, against both Carrier and Neil , about the euhmerization being basically a degradation: A Disastrous Misunderstanding. Then it was that there dawned upon their mental horizon one of the most colossal misunderstandings ever invented by the crass stupidity of man. It occurred...
by Giuseppe
Sat Dec 04, 2021 9:02 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: “Pontius Pilate” was merely a historicization of the original Greek “πόντος πιλητὸς” (dense sea)
Replies: 5
Views: 101

“Pontius Pilate” was merely a historicization of the original Greek “πόντος πιλητὸς” (dense sea)

:cheers: The great finding of C.W. Leadbeater in “The Christian Creed” (1898), p. 77-81 puts definitively an end to the enigma “Why the mention of Pilate in the Gospels?”: PONTIUS PILATE. “Suffered under Pontius Pilate” . In this clause we have quite the most remarkable instance on record of the deg...