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by Giuseppe
Sat Oct 23, 2021 5:16 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: What Happened to Ben?
Replies: 7
Views: 181

Re: What Happened

billd89 wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 5:14 am That's irrelevant, Giuseppe.
I have described precisely where Ben disturbed me. I may list his merits, if you want, but his merits are under the eyes of all, here.
by Giuseppe
Sat Oct 23, 2021 5:09 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: A subtle way to defame Carrier by Litwa
Replies: 20
Views: 181

Re: A subtle way to defame Carrier by Litwa

But I don't think it's worth worrying about (and Litwa has been producing some interesting commentary) surely the rest of the commentary is intereting, but I am tired of scholars who would like to seem super partes , by comparing atheists and religious only in virtue of their common opposition to Y...
by Giuseppe
Sat Oct 23, 2021 4:54 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: What Happened to Ben?
Replies: 7
Views: 181

Re: What Happened to Ben?

Where Ben disturbed me from day one was his continue insistence on the possibility of a mythicist case where Jesus was considered earthly by Paul. And his insistence that a such mythicist case would explain better the evidence than Doherty/Carrier's case. He shows even a claim in his website where h...
by Giuseppe
Sat Oct 23, 2021 4:37 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Turmel on the Testimonium Flavianum
Replies: 8
Views: 406

Re: Turmel on the Testimonium Flavianum

Page 12: Sans doute leur malveillance qui n'est pas niable autorise les soupçons. Mais Jésus a été à même d'infliger un démenti aux griefs dont il était l'objet. Il y a été invité par Pilate qui, pour s'éclairer, lui a demandé s'il était le roi des juifs. La réponse, que nous avons lue, loin d'infir...
by Giuseppe
Sat Oct 23, 2021 4:15 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: A subtle way to defame Carrier by Litwa
Replies: 20
Views: 181

Re: A subtle way to defame Carrier by Litwa

eta4: Litwa says at 29:10 that "modern atheists are saying what Marcion said" (after some pretty pointed comments before that; not about atheists) that observation alone is a subtle way to attack "modern atheists" as ideologists à la Marcion. Atheists don't need to be compared t...
by Giuseppe
Sat Oct 23, 2021 4:07 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: A subtle way to defame Carrier by Litwa
Replies: 20
Views: 181

Re: A subtle way to defame Carrier by Litwa

Guiseppe, you should watch that video! Around 42 mins, Litwa talks about the archons who crucified Christ, and his proposed reading may well be suitable to your own theories! 1 Cor 2:6-8 is a marcionite interpolation, as proved, inter alia , by Turmel, hence that passage can't be used to argue for ...
by Giuseppe
Sat Oct 23, 2021 4:02 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: A subtle way to defame Carrier by Litwa
Replies: 20
Views: 181

Re: A subtle way to defame Carrier by Litwa

Gdon, the fact that both Carrier (or Dawkins, for that matter) and Marcion would agree about the conclusion (== YHWH is evil) is not a good reason to assume that they would agree also about the premises and the way of implying from the premises the said conclusion. Carrier comes to the conclusion th...
by Giuseppe
Fri Oct 22, 2021 9:14 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: A subtle way to defame Carrier by Litwa
Replies: 20
Views: 181

Re: A subtle way to defame Carrier by Litwa

Why just Carrier? Why not Dawkins?

At any case, even if he had named Dawkins and not Carrier, it is still a subtle insult.
by Giuseppe
Fri Oct 22, 2021 11:42 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: A subtle way to defame Carrier by Litwa
Replies: 20
Views: 181

Re: A subtle way to defame Carrier by Litwa

The basic assumption is that "smart" people would not raise the same marcionite criticism against the biblical god.
by Giuseppe
Fri Oct 22, 2021 11:39 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: A subtle way to defame Carrier by Litwa
Replies: 20
Views: 181

A subtle way to defame Carrier by Litwa

Judge by yourself: why does Litwa describe Carrier as a modern Marcion, by merely mentioning him in a book on the demiurge? https://books.google.it/books?id=hXU-EAAAQBAJ&printsec=copyright&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=Carrier&f=false The Evil Creator: Origins of an Early Christian Idea. F...