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by Giuseppe
Mon Dec 06, 2021 4:09 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Paul and the Vision of Isaiah
Replies: 15
Views: 323

Re: Paul and the Vision of Isaiah

I would add, supporting the outer space crucifixion: 4. the specific distinction between Sheol and Hell. The Son is prohibited from going to Hell, his extreme place being the Sheol: this distinction makes much sense if the Sheol is placed in outer space above the earth, while the Hell is placed unde...
by Giuseppe
Sun Dec 05, 2021 10:10 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Paul and the Vision of Isaiah
Replies: 15
Views: 323

Re: Paul and the Vision of Isaiah

Note that if Asc. Of Isaiah is related to Revelation (as conceded by Norelli, too), then just as Revelation is against Gnostic Nicolaites, so also Asc. Of Isaiah has Gnostic enemies in view.
by Giuseppe
Sun Dec 05, 2021 10:05 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Paul and the Vision of Isaiah
Replies: 15
Views: 323

Re: Paul and the Vision of Isaiah

Prof Arthur Droge argued for Ascension of Isaiah being reactionary against a previous Gnostic text and placing beyond any doubt the crucifixion in outer space. Just as 1 Cor 2:6-21 (=an interpolation from the same Gnostic sect).

He is probably correct, IMHO.
by Giuseppe
Sun Dec 05, 2021 1:26 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Pilate the Apostle?
Replies: 0
Views: 41

Pilate the Apostle?

Why was Pilate considered a Christian Apostle, possibly the First Apostle of Christ in Rome, even before Paul? The suspicion is that the goodness of Pilate is not a mere effect of an apology before Rome. But rather the contrary: that the assumed goodness of Pilate moved "Mark" (author) to ...
by Giuseppe
Sun Dec 05, 2021 8:17 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Why 1 Timothy 6:13 mentions Pilate
Replies: 1
Views: 63

Re: Why 1 Timothy 6:13 mentions Pilate

One may think that: ...just as Pilate was mentioned in an epistle in a time when the Christians were exhorted to proclaim openly their faith in a crucified Jew... ...so in the early times Pilate was NOT mentioned deliberately , to not disturb the authorities. The problem with this view is: how could...
by Giuseppe
Sun Dec 05, 2021 5:48 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Why 1 Timothy 6:13 mentions Pilate
Replies: 1
Views: 63

Why 1 Timothy 6:13 mentions Pilate

1 Timothy 6:13-14 In the sight of God, who gives life to everything, and of Christ Jesus, who while testifying before Pontius Pilate made the good confession , I charge you to keep this command without spot or blame until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ The reason of a such mention is not ant...
by Giuseppe
Sat Dec 04, 2021 1:42 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Buried clues about early Christianity from the context of Pliny’s letters?
Replies: 68
Views: 18072

Re: Buried clues about early Christianity from the context of Pliny’s letters?

Note that IF (a great IF indeed) Pliny is a forgery, then the probability increases greatly that the probable source of Tacitus about the Chrestiani was not his friend Pliny, but the books of Josephus himself, i.e. an original Testimonium Flavianum.
by Giuseppe
Sat Dec 04, 2021 1:37 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: If Marcion is primary, then what of John the Baptist?
Replies: 7
Views: 154

Re: If Marcion is primary, then what of John the Baptist?

Gotcha. Would you say that the Mandaean traditions are largely derivative of the earliest (proto-)Christian traditions? By your model, it sounds like they took that John the Baptist figure invented by the Christians and ran with it. yes, I think that the Mandeans attest only the existence of an old...
by Giuseppe
Sat Dec 04, 2021 1:08 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: If Marcion is primary, then what of John the Baptist?
Replies: 7
Views: 154

Re: If Marcion is primary, then what of John the Baptist?

To be clear: John the Baptist never existed. He is only another name to cover an embarrassing tradition dating back to the historical Jesus. Just as the first evangelist covered the disturbing traces of Jesus by collecting them under the invented very useful label of "John the Baptist"... ...
by Giuseppe
Sat Dec 04, 2021 12:47 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: If Marcion is primary, then what of John the Baptist?
Replies: 7
Views: 154

Re: If Marcion is primary, then what of John the Baptist?

My present opinion is that "John the Baptist" is a Gospel invention to cover, behind the image of a mere precursor (=="YHWH gives grace"), an embarrassing, rival portrait of Jesus held among some sects, possibly one dating back to a hypothetical historical Jesus. (Which means tha...