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by Giuseppe
Tue Apr 16, 2024 3:04 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: New book on Yeshu ha-Notsri
Replies: 1
Views: 22

Re: New book on Yeshu ha-Notsri

The idea that Jesus didn't exist because the his prototype lived 100 years before the Gospel dating of Jesus would seem to be very stupid (when compared to other mythicist views), if it wasn't for the pure and simple fact that it is the only mythicist view that can vaunt the evidence of the accusati...
by Giuseppe
Tue Apr 16, 2024 2:47 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: New book on Yeshu ha-Notsri
Replies: 1
Views: 22

New book on Yeshu ha-Notsri

Truth of the following remark: The Wagenseil version has a unique position among mythicists and other pseudo-historians as a tool employed to attack dominant scholarly opinions about the historical Jesus. In this domain, the alternative chronology is still very much a living tradition. (Gavin McDowe...
by Giuseppe
Tue Apr 16, 2024 2:38 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Real story of Jesus
Replies: 2
Views: 49

Re: Real story of Jesus

JarekS wrote: Tue Apr 16, 2024 12:07 amthe first commercial gospel *Ev,
I like a lot the expression. Thank you.
by Giuseppe
Mon Apr 15, 2024 8:55 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Is 'called Christ' in Ant 20:200 a Christian gloss just as 'born by woman' is a Catholic gloss in Gal 4:4?
Replies: 11
Views: 133

Re: Is 'called Christ' in Ant 20:200 a Christian gloss just as 'born by woman' is a Catholic gloss in Gal 4:4?

GakuseiDon wrote: Mon Apr 15, 2024 7:56 pmChrist is a son via a woman, while Christians are sons via adoption:
Also I am son of a woman, and baptized at the birth. Where is the contrast between me and the Son? It would be there if Jesus is the pre-existent Son of god, without no woman as mother.
by Giuseppe
Mon Apr 15, 2024 8:52 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: What is the final legacy of Marcion at the end?
Replies: 11
Views: 102

Re: What is the final legacy of Marcion at the end?

The end times were imminent, about to happen any time. The exact thing denied by Mark 13:7: When you hear of wars and rumors of wars, do not be alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come Even if the abomination etc is Titus, the false Christs are Lukuas of Cyrene and Bar-Kokhba.
by Giuseppe
Mon Apr 15, 2024 12:31 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: What is the final legacy of Marcion at the end?
Replies: 11
Views: 102

Re: What is the final legacy of Marcion at the end?

Because the implication is that at least some Gospel pericopes in a canonical gospel are, strange to say, affected by marcionism and/or anti-marcionism. Which implies that given the other known fact that the synoptical pericopes of different gospels are strictly connected between them, probably also...
by Giuseppe
Mon Apr 15, 2024 12:18 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: What is the final legacy of Marcion at the end?
Replies: 11
Views: 102

Re: What is the final legacy of Marcion at the end?

My point here is different: Even assuming the more subtle concession a conservative reader may give to the storm called Marcion, i.e. that both Marcion and Luke are based on a proto-Luke (in turn based on Matthew), the result is still a strong shadow of doubt on the certainty that a first gospel (Ma...
by Giuseppe
Mon Apr 15, 2024 12:11 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: What is the final legacy of Marcion at the end?
Replies: 11
Views: 102

Re: What is the final legacy of Marcion at the end?

My point is more sound: once a canonical synoptic gospel is placed around the time of Marcion (second century) there are no reasons to place the others (one or all) still in the first century.
by Giuseppe
Mon Apr 15, 2024 11:40 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: What is the final legacy of Marcion at the end?
Replies: 11
Views: 102

What is the final legacy of Marcion at the end?

Apart conservatives who think that not even Luke's priority is touched by Marcion (and not even partially), what is left after the passage of the storm called Marcion? Put simply, what is definitely collapsed is the certainty that some gospels can be still dated in the first century CE. This is corr...
by Giuseppe
Mon Apr 15, 2024 8:05 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Is 'called Christ' in Ant 20:200 a Christian gloss just as 'born by woman' is a Catholic gloss in Gal 4:4?
Replies: 11
Views: 133

Is 'called Christ' in Ant 20:200 a Christian gloss just as 'born by woman' is a Catholic gloss in Gal 4:4?

It would be interesting to know the answer by the people who already consider 'called Christ' in 20:200 a Christian interpolation. Afterall, just as 'called Christ' breaks the context (the brother of Jesus ben Damneus being the victim of Ananus), a similar breaking of the context is in action in Gal...