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by andrewcriddle
Fri Oct 22, 2021 11:50 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Dave Allen arguing for a genuine Testimonium Flavianum: a criticism
Replies: 52
Views: 2773

Re: Dave Allen arguing for a genuine Testimonium Flavianum: a criticism

Are you arguing that establishing a belief in a historical Jesus in Judea before the Jewish war would not prove that Jesus existed ? If so this is technically correct but not IMO very interesting. No. That's not what I wrote at all, nor even implied. Did you notice the point I made about the establ...
by andrewcriddle
Thu Oct 21, 2021 8:03 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Dave Allen arguing for a genuine Testimonium Flavianum: a criticism
Replies: 52
Views: 2773

Re: Dave Allen arguing for a genuine Testimonium Flavianum: a criticism

What would make the TF relevant to the question of the historicity of Jesus? I'm of that school of historical methods as exemplified by the great classicist and historian of ancient times, Moses I. Finley. Historians today, at least when doing serious work, most of them no doubt, no longer read sou...
by andrewcriddle
Tue Oct 19, 2021 8:38 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Questions about Dating 1 Clement
Replies: 24
Views: 1048

Re: Questions about Dating 1 Clement

One should note that Joseph Turmel's claim that Hermas was the brother of Pope Pius is mainly based on the Muratorian canon list. IF the modern scholars who date this list c 300 CE (rather than c 200 CE) are correct then its value as historical evidence for the authorship of Hermas would be much re...
by andrewcriddle
Tue Oct 19, 2021 8:17 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: More info on Jesus' "miraculous (Egyptian) powers" ?
Replies: 4
Views: 325

Re: More info on Jesus' "miraculous (Egyptian) powers" ?

It seems related to Jewish anti-Christian claims such as are found much later in the Babylonian Talmud.
See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_in_the_Talmud

Andrew Criddle
by andrewcriddle
Sun Oct 17, 2021 11:01 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Questions about Dating 1 Clement
Replies: 24
Views: 1048

Re: Questions about Dating 1 Clement

One should note that Joseph Turmel's claim that Hermas was the brother of Pope Pius is mainly based on the Muratorian canon list. IF the modern scholars who date this list c 300 CE (rather than c 200 CE) are correct then its value as historical evidence for the authorship of Hermas would be much red...
by andrewcriddle
Sat Oct 16, 2021 12:53 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Questions about Dating 1 Clement
Replies: 24
Views: 1048

Re: Questions about Dating 1 Clement

If one accepts the evidence in Eusebius from Hegesippus and Dionysius of Corinth then c 170 CE Clement to the Corinthians was already regarded as an ancient and valued text. This would seem to require a date well before 150 CE.

Andrew Criddle
by andrewcriddle
Sat Oct 16, 2021 12:37 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Why did the Gnostics use Paul and Gospels?
Replies: 46
Views: 1727

Re: Why did the Gnostics use Paul and Gospels?

Gnostics were "weirdos" who interpreted the religious and philosophical writings of their time in "weird" ways. Why did they bother to do that? Because they were weird . As opposed to Nicene Christianity? weird . is a value judgment. But the exegesis is different. The orthodox t...
by andrewcriddle
Sat Oct 16, 2021 12:25 am
Forum: Jewish Texts and History
Topic: Alexandria-Relevant 1st C AD Timeline (subject-to-change)
Replies: 4
Views: 385

Re: Alexandria-Relevant 1st C AD Timeline

I like the ideas and timeline, but aren't you taking Acts at facevalue? I have never considered 'Acts.' Should I? Forgive me (I know I'm on a Bible forum), but my own interest here is (mostly) 'Jewish' and 200 BC-150 AD: Alexandrian Judaism, Judeo-Egyptian culture, Jewish Gnosticism (pre-115 AD), t...
by andrewcriddle
Thu Oct 14, 2021 11:45 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The case for Post First War Paul?
Replies: 40
Views: 1839

Re: The case for Post First War Paul?

........................ Sceptical inquiry is not about pushing evidence to vanishing points to suit our agendas, though the term is sometimes used as if that is what is meant by it. If you see evidence in 1 Clement for a broader impact of Paul's activity within the parameters conventional wisdom a...
by andrewcriddle
Thu Oct 14, 2021 11:24 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Why did the Gnostics use Paul and Gospels?
Replies: 46
Views: 1727

Re: Why did the Gnostics use Paul and Gospels?

Marcion Valentinus et al were seeking to reinterpret the existing Christian message, not proclaim an entirely new one. (Some Sethian groups may have been much less in dialogue with preexisting Christianity but that is another matter.) Andrew Criddle My contention is that orthodox Christianity didn'...