I agree that 'Clement' does not expressly claim that the text of the Carpocratian version of Secret Mark was explicitly sexual. However it seems clear that that is how the Carpocratians are represented as interpreting it.
Andrew Criddle
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- Sun Mar 17, 2024 5:51 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Sabar's New Morton Smith Article
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- Sat Mar 16, 2024 3:56 am
- Forum: Academic Discussion
- Topic: γυμνὸς or γυμνοὶ in Clement's Letter to Theodore?
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Re: γυμνὸς or γυμνοὶ in Clement's Letter to Theodore?
Could you translate the full sentence and then explain it? Τὸ δὲ γυμνοὶ γυμνῷ καὶ τἆλλα περὶ ὧν ἔγραψας οὐκ εὑρίσκεται. I would understand it as: 'But the naked men with naked man and the other things about which you wrote are not found.' I take the two words γυμνοὶ γυμνῷ to be what Theodore wrote ...
- Sat Mar 16, 2024 3:33 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Sabar's New Morton Smith Article
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Re: Sabar's New Morton Smith Article
I'm not entirely sure why γυμνοί is being taken to imply a heterosexual reference, it is a masculine plural, γυμναί would be the feminine plural. Obviously it might have a heterosexual reference but not necessarily.
Andrew Criddle
Andrew Criddle
- Fri Mar 15, 2024 2:25 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Sabar's New Morton Smith Article
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Re: Sabar's New Morton Smith Article
The letter most resembles a private correspondence of Clement. If it's a forgery it was surely written by someone who consulted the statements about the Carpocratians in Clement's surviving writings. In either case Clement speaks or implies Carpocratians gathered γυμνοὶ γυμνῷ not naked man with nak...
- Mon Mar 11, 2024 2:56 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: κολοβοδάκτυλος
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Re: κολοβοδάκτυλος
I made a blog post on this hippolytus-on-marcion-and-mark I'm not sure if it's right but it may be of interest.
Andrew Criddle
Andrew Criddle
- Mon Mar 11, 2024 2:15 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Where did Celsus' Jew charge harshness upon Jesus?
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Re: Where did Celsus' Jew charge harshness upon Jesus?
Contra Celsum Celsus, in adopting the character of a Jew, could not discover any objections to be urged against the Gospel which might not be retorted on him as liable to be brought also against the law and the prophets. For he censures Jesus in such words as the following: He makes use of threats,...
- Fri Mar 08, 2024 6:08 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Socrates never existed: analogies with Jesus
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Re: Socrates never existed: analogies with Jesus
One may have to distinguish between a minimal historical Socrates who almost certainly existed, and the Socrates important in the history of Philosophy, the figure behind the writings of Plato and Xenophon. This Socrates, Socrates the philosopher, is quite possibly largely fictitious. Andrew Criddl...
- Fri Mar 08, 2024 5:40 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Socrates never existed: analogies with Jesus
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Re: Socrates never existed: analogies with Jesus
One may have to distinguish between a minimal historical Socrates who almost certainly existed, and the Socrates important in the history of Philosophy, the figure behind the writings of Plato and Xenophon. This Socrates, Socrates the philosopher, is quite possibly largely fictitious. Andrew Criddl...
- Fri Mar 08, 2024 5:34 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Dating Paul's authentic letters
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Re: Dating Paul's authentic letters
There are various threads on this https://earlywritings.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=8005 https://earlywritings.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=155 One general issue is that not only does Paul not mention the destruction of Jerusalem, but his letters seems to presuppose that Jerusalem is an i...
- Fri Mar 08, 2024 4:43 am
- Forum: Academic Discussion
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Re: Why the Hellenistic era for ALL "Old Testament" books should be taken seriously
You seem IIUC to be requiring a lot of things to happen very quickly. After the beginning of the Hellenistic period a new understanding of the origins of Israel arises. Two or more groups develop this understanding in related but independent extended narratives. These extended narratives are later ...