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by Russell Gmirkin
Fri Sep 15, 2023 5:00 pm
Forum: Jewish Texts and History
Topic: Ovid's Metamorphoses and Genesis
Replies: 19
Views: 10246

Re: Ovid's Metamorphoses and Genesis

There is an interesting account of the sources of Ovid's creation account here Andrew Criddle Yes, although the author doesn't take into account that the rhetorical aims of Ovid's Metamorphosis and Plato's Timaeus were different: Ovid, to write a poetic narrative, and Plato, to give a philosophical...
by Russell Gmirkin
Tue Sep 12, 2023 4:55 am
Forum: Jewish Texts and History
Topic: Ovid's Metamorphoses and Genesis
Replies: 19
Views: 10246

Re: Ovid's Metamorphoses and Genesis

I should note that most scholars identify a variety of Greek philosophical sources behind Ovid's creation account. Robinson ("Ovid and the Timaeus ") argued that Ovid drew on Cicero's translation of the Timaeus into Latin. Others have seen additional influences from Empedocles, Posidonius,...
by Russell Gmirkin
Tue Sep 12, 2023 4:23 am
Forum: Jewish Texts and History
Topic: Ovid's Metamorphoses and Genesis
Replies: 19
Views: 10246

Re: Ovid's Metamorphoses and Genesis

The opening sections are heavily dependent on Plato's Timaeus with its description of the primordial chaos (the formless material Receptacle), and the subsequent separation of the four elements when the Demiurge began to order creation, and the earth, oceans, air and heavens took their present sepa...
by Russell Gmirkin
Tue Sep 12, 2023 4:07 am
Forum: Jewish Texts and History
Topic: Ovid's Metamorphoses and Genesis
Replies: 19
Views: 10246

Re: Ovid's Metamorphoses and Genesis

If I read this right, the mortals are attempting to reach the gods by climbing to the sky, but God destroys their efforts. The oldest version of the Titanomachy is found in Hesiod, Theogony, 617ff (conveniently quoted at https://www.theoi.com/Titan/Titanes.html). In Ovid, the Titans become Giants a...
by Russell Gmirkin
Sun Sep 03, 2023 4:12 am
Forum: Jewish Texts and History
Topic: Ovid's Metamorphoses and Genesis
Replies: 19
Views: 10246

Re: Ovid's Metamorphoses and Genesis

Nor were the Gods themselves more safe above; Against beleaguer'd Heav'n the giants move. Hills pil'd on hills, on mountains mountains lie, To make their mad approaches to the skie. 'Till Jove, no longer patient, took his time T' avenge with thunder their audacious crime: Red light'ning plaid along...
by Russell Gmirkin
Sun Sep 03, 2023 4:10 am
Forum: Jewish Texts and History
Topic: Ovid's Metamorphoses and Genesis
Replies: 19
Views: 10246

Re: Ovid's Metamorphoses and Genesis

Certainly Metamorphoses is far more similar to Genesis than Hesiod's Theogony . Ye Gods, from whom these miracles did spring, Inspire my numbers with coelestial heat; 'Till I my long laborious work compleat: And add perpetual tenour to my rhimes, Deduc'd from Nature's birth, to Caesar's times. Befo...
by Russell Gmirkin
Sat Apr 29, 2023 5:47 pm
Forum: Jewish Texts and History
Topic: Should Gmirkin be compared to Galileo?
Replies: 16
Views: 672

Re: Should Gmirkin be compared to Galileo?

Just to be very clear, at no point in my original posting did I compare myself to Galileo. Rather, the comparison—which I consider quite apt—was that of Stephen Goranson to the opponents of Galileo: “Stephen Goranson’s approach to my research is highly reminiscent, in my opinion, of contemporary re...
by Russell Gmirkin
Sat Apr 29, 2023 5:02 pm
Forum: Jewish Texts and History
Topic: Should Gmirkin be compared to Galileo?
Replies: 16
Views: 672

Re: Should Gmirkin be compared to Galileo?

I could have fun and compare this thread to the Inquisition, but I don’t take this forum that seriously. There are a number of people on this forum who are genuinely interested in ideas and evidence, and who are willing to look through the telescope, which is why I like to occasionally drop in. And...
by Russell Gmirkin
Sat Apr 29, 2023 4:42 pm
Forum: Jewish Texts and History
Topic: Should Gmirkin be compared to Galileo?
Replies: 16
Views: 672

Re: Should Gmirkin be compared to Galileo?

Paradigm Shifts So what is all this talk about paradigm shifts? To briefly explain: From around 1993 to the present the field of biblical studies has been undergoing a paradigm shift, which is simply explained as follows. The old, Maximalist paradigm seeks to date the texts of the Hebrew Bible as e...
by Russell Gmirkin
Sat Apr 29, 2023 4:39 pm
Forum: Jewish Texts and History
Topic: Should Gmirkin be compared to Galileo?
Replies: 16
Views: 672

Re: Should Gmirkin be compared to Galileo?

Thank you for creating this thread highlighting the issues surrounding paradigm shifts. The thread title poses the question, “ Should Gmirkin be compared to Galileo? ” Just to be very clear, at no point in my original posting did I compare myself to Galileo. Rather, the comparison—which I consider q...