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by Paul the Uncertain
Fri Mar 01, 2024 11:04 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Did Josephus say that Jesus was called Chrēstos?
Replies: 118
Views: 3936

Re: Did Josephus say that Jesus was called Chrēstos?

Unlike other possible responses, any response that I make will interpret you more correctly, as asking if Origen knew "the story" of the death of James in a form close to what is known from Hegesippus. I didn't interpret the other poster's questions that way because nobody has claimed her...
by Paul the Uncertain
Fri Mar 01, 2024 2:20 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Did Josephus say that Jesus was called Chrēstos?
Replies: 118
Views: 3936

Re: Did Josephus say that Jesus was called Chrēstos?

And if not, are you willing to claim that this agreement between Origen and Hegesippus is a coincidence? Of course not. Origen and Hegesippus are both Christian apologists who may be presumed familiar with Christian traditions about first-generation saints, martyrs, and family members of Jesus. Eus...
by Paul the Uncertain
Wed Feb 28, 2024 3:36 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Does the lost Gospel Q Exist? | Dr. James McGrath Vs Dr. Mark Goodacre
Replies: 82
Views: 5091

Re: Does the lost Gospel Q Exist? | Dr. James McGrath Vs Dr. Mark Goodacre

the numerous surprising omissions in Luke (if he knew Matthew) It seems intuitive to me that real things with fixed features are more likely to have surprising features than hypothetical things crafted to avoid surprise ... The hypothetical Q gospel also has a surprising feature: it is a sayings go...
by Paul the Uncertain
Wed Feb 28, 2024 12:39 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: What did Paul mean by brother(s) of the Lord?
Replies: 79
Views: 86432

Re: What did Paul mean by brother(s) of the Lord?

Thank you. @DCH and @Peter . Does the same apply equally to the phrase "the brother of Jesus called Christ" in Josephus - that it could have been a connection made by Origen without anything in the text to ground it more directly - or is that case different in some respect? I think such co...
by Paul the Uncertain
Mon Feb 26, 2024 1:27 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: What did Paul mean by brother(s) of the Lord?
Replies: 79
Views: 86432

Re: What did Paul mean by brother(s) of the Lord?

Thank you for posting. I had all but forgotten this thread. ... This does tie in with my suggestion that the place where the death of a single individual is attributed as the reason for the destruction of the city, the person was Ananus son of Ananus in War 4.228-270 (Ananus and Jesus his lieutenant...
by Paul the Uncertain
Fri Feb 23, 2024 10:26 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: What did Origen say he read about James’s reputation in Josephus?
Replies: 20
Views: 785

Re: What did Origen say he read about James’s reputation in Josephus?

Just to tie off a point arising: At Church History 2.23.4, Eusebius quotes Hegesippus as saying that the term James the Just had been in use since the 30's CE: 4. James, the brother of the Lord, succeeded to the government of the Church in conjunction with the apostles. He has been called the Just b...
by Paul the Uncertain
Fri Feb 23, 2024 8:44 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: What did Origen say he read about James’s reputation in Josephus?
Replies: 20
Views: 785

Re: What did Origen say he read about James’s reputation in Josephus?

A note on ground rules: I am the original poster in this thread, and I will post in it as I see fit, subject to the sufferance of our host. In this case you are ruling my use of the word 'theory' out of court. You can use any word you like as far as I am concerned. There is no canon of polite disco...
by Paul the Uncertain
Fri Feb 23, 2024 5:14 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: What did Origen say he read about James’s reputation in Josephus?
Replies: 20
Views: 785

Re: What did Origen say he read about James’s reputation in Josephus?

(-snip-) It seems that you are saying that, in light of Christian traditions Origen knew, including the tradition recorded in Hegesippus, Origen could have taken the bit about the most 'equitable citizens' 'disliked what was done' in Ant. 20.200 as referring to James' known righteousness. My questi...
by Paul the Uncertain
Thu Feb 22, 2024 3:34 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: What did Origen say he read about James’s reputation in Josephus?
Replies: 20
Views: 785

Re: What did Origen say he read about James’s reputation in Josephus?

Greetings, Ken First, when you say that 'he refers only to terse generic descriptions of James's virtue and good name such as comport with general Christian tradition that any apologist might plausibly teach' do you mean that Origen has intermingled his own interpretations of events based on materia...