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by Irish1975
Thu Oct 21, 2021 6:24 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Revelation of the Mystery Hidden for Ages
Replies: 4
Views: 178

Re: The Revelation of the Mystery Hidden for Ages

In 1 Corinthians 15, Paul does claim that the death and resurrection of Christ was “according to the scriptures.” Who knows what that means. It apparently wasn’t just a historical event that Paul and “the twelve” claim to remember. On the other hand, where do any ancient scriptures predict these eve...
by Irish1975
Thu Oct 21, 2021 6:24 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Dave Allen: an analysis
Replies: 12
Views: 334

Re: Dave Allen: an analysis

That’s an amusing story, ABuddhist. In the modern era there has been Bowderlization, a practice common in the Victorian era where unseemly texts were made suitable for ladies and children. And since WW1, in many societies there has been a high level of political propaganda in mass media. Perhaps bot...
by Irish1975
Wed Oct 20, 2021 11:40 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Revelation of the Mystery Hidden for Ages
Replies: 4
Views: 178

The Revelation of the Mystery Hidden for Ages

There are 4 Pauline passages that must be read together, since they reflect the same Marcionite/Gnostic ideas in almost identical language. Key terms: apocalypsis/revelation mystery hidden/kept silent/unknown aeons (archons, powers, etc.) gnosis sophia glory Essential themes: the revelation given sp...
by Irish1975
Sun Oct 17, 2021 8:24 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Questions about Dating 1 Clement
Replies: 24
Views: 744

Re: Questions about Dating 1 Clement

I appreciate Turmel’s commentary but Detering is right that we should not take seriously the appearance of this text as a “letter” addressed to a specific circumstance in Corinth. The conflict with Marcion was everywhere. Rome had a general desire to impose its authority, its claim to Peter and Paul...
by Irish1975
Sun Oct 17, 2021 7:59 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Is Paul anti-Roman just as the Book of Revelation?
Replies: 6
Views: 250

Re: Is Paul anti-Roman just as the Book of Revelation?

What anti-Roman apocalypticism in Paul does Turmel appeal to?
by Irish1975
Sun Oct 17, 2021 7:56 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Why did the Gnostics use Paul and Gospels?
Replies: 40
Views: 1132

Re: Why did the Gnostics use Paul and Gospels?

After the First war, tensions started to grow in this community and such God-fearers became increasingly uneasy with their ties to Judaism. This increased over time as the conflicts continued to roil. But why would gentiles who had been attracted to Judaism become increasingly uneasy with their tie...
by Irish1975
Fri Oct 15, 2021 12:01 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Questions about Dating 1 Clement
Replies: 24
Views: 744

Re: Questions about Dating 1 Clement

So, I have been fascinated by Neil Godfrey's recent discussion upon this forum of the ways in which 1 Clement is dated, and I have some questions about that. 1. Was there any reason why people around 170 CE might have wanted to forge a document dating back decades and addressing the issues that 1 C...
by Irish1975
Fri Oct 15, 2021 9:11 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Why did the Gnostics use Paul and Gospels?
Replies: 40
Views: 1132

Re: Why did the Gnostics use Paul and Gospels?

John2 wrote: Thu Oct 14, 2021 2:29 pm Gnostics were "weirdos" who interpreted the religious and philosophical writings of their time in "weird" ways. Why did they bother to do that? Because they were weird.
As opposed to Nicene Christianity?
by Irish1975
Fri Oct 15, 2021 9:08 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Why did the Gnostics use Paul and Gospels?
Replies: 40
Views: 1132

Re: Why did the Gnostics use Paul and Gospels?

It seems that even Marcion's Gospel and Marcion's version of the Pauline letters still deal with the Jewish scriptures and still present a Jesus who is at least tangentially tied to Judaism. Given the teachings of the Gnostics, why did they deal with these materials at all? How did the canon that M...