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- Mon Apr 22, 2024 10:23 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Why Canonical Luke never says the names of the brother of Jesus
- Replies: 2
- Views: 93
Re: Why Canonical Luke never says the names of the brother of Jesus
I suspect that the original Gospel (proto-Mark) also did not include the names of any family members. Because neither Luke 3-24, nor *Ev, nor the Gospel of John identify the names of the family members of Jesus. Only Matthew and Mark (and Luke 1-2) do. I don't think that if proto-Mark had these name...
- Thu Apr 18, 2024 2:43 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: The Temptation Story in Mark is anti-marcionite
- Replies: 49
- Views: 720
Re: The Temptation Story in Mark is anti-marcionite
Well, I'm quite confident at this point that this passage has been thoroughly misinterpreted to begin with. I'm sure you've seen my other threads about this. In the original story, it was John who was tempted by Satan, not Jesus, and the narrative element is based on the story of Elijah in 1 Kings, ...
- Wed Apr 17, 2024 10:26 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: The Antitheses and the origin of Luke
- Replies: 46
- Views: 1034
Re: The Antitheses and the origin of Luke
Alright, then I still tend to think Basilides is best explained as knowing Luke. And I'm still not clear on what renders proto-Luke more than just a possible hypothesis. I addressed the issue of Basilides somewhere, but I can't find it. I think my point was that these comments about Basilides are c...
- Wed Apr 17, 2024 10:22 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: The Antitheses and the origin of Luke
- Replies: 46
- Views: 1034
Re: The Antitheses and the origin of Luke
But its pretty obvious that Luke 1 & 2 are additions This can be explained as part of Luke's expansion of *Ev and the other gospels. The Luke 3 stuff (apart from a bit of Luke 3:1) can be additionally from this same author. Could be, but its relationship to the birth narrative is very strange. ...
- Wed Apr 17, 2024 9:15 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: The Antitheses and the origin of Luke
- Replies: 46
- Views: 1034
Re: The Antitheses and the origin of Luke
There's always another 'possible' hypothetical. How is this (so far undefined) "proto-Luke" a better hypothesis? Proto-Luke is pretty well defined. Proto-Luke would be basically Luke 3-23ish (about half of 24). When you look at Luke 3, much of Luke 3 is not present in *Ev. Either *Ev was ...
- Wed Apr 17, 2024 7:42 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Were Marcionites keepers of the original Christian faith?
- Replies: 19
- Views: 526
Re: Were Marcionites keepers of the original Christian faith?
I think earliest belief was a mythological Jesus per Paul's original letters, as explained by Richard Carrier's Jesus from Outer Space. Seems to be the general tenor of the responses. A sign of the times that Marcionites-first is rejected not because of mainstream scholarship, but because it isn't ...
- Wed Apr 17, 2024 7:18 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: The Antitheses and the origin of Luke
- Replies: 46
- Views: 1034
Re: The Antitheses and the origin of Luke
If Luke (in "canonical form") was written pre-130, then Marcion probably did know about Luke and Acts. If Luke was still written recently enough in the second century, Marcion could have known that. A conclusion that Luke ripped off the gospel with "interpolations" didn't really...
- Tue Apr 16, 2024 3:56 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: John comes FROM Acts...
- Replies: 1
- Views: 138
Re: John comes FROM Acts...
But here is the kicker, I think what we have here is temporal dislocation. Maybe impossible to prove, but I suspect that in Act of the Apostle , it did say, “John baptized with the baptism of repentance, telling the people to believe in the one who was to come after him , that is, in Jesus.” But thi...
- Tue Apr 16, 2024 3:13 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: John comes FROM Acts...
- Replies: 1
- Views: 138
John comes FROM Acts...
So, you may know that my theory is that actually a version of Acts, what I would call Acts of the Apostle , was written BEFORE any Gospel was written. This story was a companion piece to the Pauline letters and was only about Paul, beginning with his persecutions and his conversion. And the "Go...
- Tue Apr 16, 2024 2:39 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: The Antitheses and the origin of Luke
- Replies: 46
- Views: 1034
Re: The Antitheses and the origin of Luke
What I've long thought to be the case, and maybe I've been wrong, was that the relationship between Marcion and Luke was surmised based on comparison. Nothing in the works of Marcion stated explicitly that he knew anything about Luke or that there was any relationship between his Gospel and Luke. My...