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by rgprice
Sun Feb 25, 2024 10:39 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: My recreation of the opening of the First Gospel
Replies: 6
Views: 242

Re: My recreation of the opening of the First Gospel

what are thoughts on the plausibility of the proposed reconstruction or potential problems with it? Firstly, why might we think that the opening of the Gospel of Mark is not original, i.e. that it has been altered from an earlier narrative that looked different than Mark looks now. Why might we thin...
by rgprice
Fri Feb 23, 2024 5:27 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Persecution of heretics?
Replies: 8
Views: 207

Re: Persecution of heretics?

I think simplicity and believability was on the side of orthodoxy as well. At least as far as we can tell, many of the Gnostic systems were fairly convoluted, and claims that Jesus was a literal Spirit were less believable than that he was a person.
by rgprice
Fri Feb 23, 2024 3:08 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Persecution of heretics?
Replies: 8
Views: 207

Re: Persecution of heretics?

It begs the question of how the orthodox won out. If the heretics were more acceptable to the existing authorities at first, and not persecuted while proto-orthodox were persecuted, how did orthodoxy grow and heresy shrink? One would think that, if nothing else, someone would rather adopt a religion...
by rgprice
Thu Feb 22, 2024 3:43 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Scriptural references used in Mark
Replies: 0
Views: 69

Scriptural references used in Mark

An interesting thing about the scriptural references used in Mark is that they do not have a focus on messianic scriptures, rather they tend to be about identifying the Lord. For example: Mark 1: 2 As it is written in the prophets, 'See, I am sending my messenger ahead of you, who will prepare your ...
by rgprice
Thu Feb 22, 2024 10:01 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Is this Ultimate Proof that "Christian" Derives from Chrestos?
Replies: 69
Views: 1170

Re: Is this Ultimate Proof that "Christian" Derives from Chrestos?

dbz, i think the problem is that in the case the epistle's aren't Messianic and date a little later it begs the question - what about the messianic original movement? was there one, or did the church frame it that way in the gospels and acts? i'm just disagreeing with everyone. i flat out think the...
by rgprice
Thu Feb 22, 2024 3:27 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: My recreation of the opening of the First Gospel
Replies: 6
Views: 242

Re: My recreation of the opening of the First Gospel

The opening indicates that the narrative about John being taken to prison and killed by Herod is a late addition and not a part of the original narrative. Indeed when we look at the account of Herod in Mark is appears totally inserted. From Mark 6: Then he went about among the villages teaching. 7 H...
by rgprice
Wed Feb 21, 2024 2:37 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Is this Ultimate Proof that "Christian" Derives from Chrestos?
Replies: 69
Views: 1170

Re: Is this Ultimate Proof that "Christian" Derives from Chrestos?

There are 8 references to Jesus being the Messiah in the 13 Pauline epistles (via mention of David, messianic prophecy or messianic title) 6 in Romans, 1 in 1 Corinthians and 1 in 2 Timothy The 7 in the genuine letters are not present in Marcion There are about 55 much stronger references in the go...
by rgprice
Wed Feb 21, 2024 1:39 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The only begotten from the Father
Replies: 11
Views: 283

Re: The only begotten from the Father

This may also bring context to the idea that the world was made by the Son. Yes, of course Philo provides us with another way to understand the creation of the world through the Word, but it seems that the concepts of Philo may have been brought to bear here precisely in order to adapt the scripture...
by rgprice
Wed Feb 21, 2024 12:29 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The only begotten from the Father
Replies: 11
Views: 283

Re: The only begotten from the Father

Either way, the point is that this can be interpreted as indicating that the Jewish Creator is NOT the son of the Good God. It is like saying "this one is MY son, that one is NOT".

Such a reading seems to bring more context to the phrase.
by rgprice
Wed Feb 21, 2024 10:48 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Is this Ultimate Proof that "Christian" Derives from Chrestos?
Replies: 69
Views: 1170

Re: Is this Ultimate Proof that "Christian" Derives from Chrestos?

All I'm saying is that I could be convinced that XC does not equal messiah in Paul. That is a much more difficult case to make for the Gospels.