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by rgprice
Mon Apr 08, 2024 1:17 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Against Polycarp
Replies: 12
Views: 266

Re: Against Polycarp

I cited Watson. And it is common knowledge. https://books.google.com/books?id=23NyCgAAQBAJ&pg=PA458&lpg=PA458&dq=%E2%80%9CIrenaeus+constructs+a+fourfold+gospel+out+of+passages+in+Papias+which+intend+no+such+thing.%E2%80%9D%5B&source=bl&ots=51LYG8_zHP&sig=ACfU3U3TsqutOc0CbPW6...
by rgprice
Mon Apr 08, 2024 1:01 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Against Polycarp
Replies: 12
Views: 266

Re: Against Polycarp

SA is the one making unsupported claims here: Irenaeus's rationale for the specific timing of Mark's Gospel being transmitted in Rome may be attributed to Papias's suggestion that Matthew wrote his account as an amendment to Mark's narrative. Irenaeus was undoubtedly cognizant of Papias's remarks ab...
by rgprice
Mon Apr 08, 2024 12:57 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: My recreation of the opening of the First Gospel
Replies: 53
Views: 2099

Re: My recreation of the opening of the First Gospel

If I get this right, you, rgprice, have written that Mark was a genius but that Matthew and Luke totally misunderstood his supposed-by-you fiction and then added to it mistakenly from other sources as if not fiction, and that Mark was originally shorter except when it was originally longer. Partly ...
by rgprice
Mon Apr 08, 2024 12:46 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Is BeDuhn right? Are patristic scholars terrified that almost all patristic manuscripts are medieval and later?
Replies: 5
Views: 230

Re: Is BeDuhn right? Are patristic scholars terrified that almost all patristic manuscripts are medieval and later?

I'm not entirely sure all of them are smart enough to be terrified, but they should be. I do think that there are a lot of Christian scholars who are true believers and think that by digging into all of this, that the claims of Christianity will all be vindicated. Surely that has been true for the p...
by rgprice
Mon Apr 08, 2024 11:15 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Against Polycarp
Replies: 12
Views: 266

Re: Against Polycarp

Irenaeus knows Papias. Makes reference in the Third Book and elsewhere. For the Third Book see Francis Watson. Irenaeus mentions someone named Papias, and makes a few very vague comments about him. Over 100 years later Eusebius claims to be providing a quote from Papais about the provenance of Matt...
by rgprice
Mon Apr 08, 2024 3:31 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Against Polycarp
Replies: 12
Views: 266

Re: Against Polycarp

Irenaeus's rationale for the specific timing of Mark's Gospel being transmitted in Rome may be attributed to Papias's suggestion that Matthew wrote his account as an amendment to Mark's narrative. Irenaeus was undoubtedly cognizant of Papias's remarks about the necessity to reorganize Mark's Gospel...
by rgprice
Sun Apr 07, 2024 5:39 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Was Paul Marcion (in part, at least)?
Replies: 27
Views: 379

Re: Was Paul Marcion (in part)?

I'm quite confident that the "Gospel of Mark" was originally much longer and included material that is now found in Acts 16-28. Which verses (or material)? A little bit of stuff prior to Acts 16, primarily, the description of Paul's persecutions and then his vision of Jesus. Then the firs...
by rgprice
Fri Apr 05, 2024 5:24 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Was Paul Marcion (in part, at least)?
Replies: 27
Views: 379

Re: Was Paul Marcion (in part)?

I don't know about Paul "being" Marcion. But really its hard to say much about any of this. I mean its not even clear if Marcion was a real person. I'm quite confident that the "Gospel of Mark" was originally much longer and included material that is now found in Acts 16-28. What...
by rgprice
Fri Apr 05, 2024 2:19 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Mark as fiction and Matthew and Luke misunderstanding that proposal...
Replies: 13
Views: 203

Re: The Mark as fiction and Matthew and Luke misunderstanding that proposal...

Mark crafts a fictional scene using literary allusions, like the example of the triumphal entry. Then Matthew comes along and says, "this happened in order to fulfill scripture", which necessarily indicates that Matthew is interpreting the scene as a literal event that happened "in ac...
by rgprice
Fri Apr 05, 2024 1:20 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Mark as fiction and Matthew and Luke misunderstanding that proposal...
Replies: 13
Views: 203

Re: The Mark as fiction and Matthew and Luke misunderstanding that proposal...

StephenGoranson wrote: Fri Apr 05, 2024 12:25 pm Not persuasive. Both draw on OT. No clear disjunction.
Every scene in the Gospel of Mark draws on the OT, so I'm not really sure what to say about that...