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by flowers_grow
Thu Sep 23, 2021 4:17 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Pierson on the two Pauls
Replies: 18
Views: 3460

Re: Pierson on the two Pauls

Thanks for this translation! I have read Pierson's "De Bergrede en andere synoptische fragmenten" but the Latin isn't accessible to me. In "De Bergrede" Pierson does discuss the authenticity of Galatians for a bit, which influenced Loman. I will try to find some time to translate...
by flowers_grow
Mon Aug 09, 2021 1:00 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: My translation of van Manen's book Paulus volume 1 (chapter 1)
Replies: 6
Views: 1426

Re: My translation of van Manen's book Paulus volume 1 (chapter 1)

I thought Hansen's article gave a good overview of the Neo Dutch Radicals. Some of the criticism worked better than others. Verhoef is mentioned. While I really appreciated Verhoef's work on the Dutch radicals I myself was disappointed in how his work in showing Pauline authenticity didn't seem to e...
by flowers_grow
Sun Aug 08, 2021 12:35 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: My translation of Loman's QUAESTIONES PAULINAE: Prolegomena (part I)
Replies: 0
Views: 697

My translation of Loman's QUAESTIONES PAULINAE: Prolegomena (part I)

Quaestiones Paulinae was where Dutch radical criticism started in earnest. It was published in Theologisch Tijdschrift in 1882. A.D. Loman, unlike van Manen, isn't represented in English at all. Loman was not only skeptical about the authenticity of all the Pauline epistles, but also because he doub...
by flowers_grow
Sun Aug 08, 2021 12:05 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: My translation of van Manen's book Paulus volume 1 (chapter 1)
Replies: 6
Views: 1426

Re: Willem Christiaan van Manen (1842-1905)

billd89 wrote: Sun Aug 08, 2021 10:57 am Biographical Summary
Dutch Radical School
Thanks for that paper by Hansen especially, I hadn't seen that before!
by flowers_grow
Sun Aug 08, 2021 10:24 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: My translation of van Manen's book Paulus volume 1 (chapter 1)
Replies: 6
Views: 1426

My translation of van Manen's book Paulus volume 1 (chapter 1)

I'm very interested in the Dutch radical scholars. The notion that a group of Bible scholars in the late 1800s could go as far as to reject the authenticity of the Pauline epistles is fascinating to me. These were people extremely well versed with both the New Testament as well as Patristics, and ma...
by flowers_grow
Sun Aug 08, 2021 10:16 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Was Paul's Romans originally addressed to Romans?
Replies: 9
Views: 1916

Re: Was Paul's Romans originally addressed to Romans?

I've dug up my translation of van Manen's Paulus volume 1 (introduction and chapter 1) polished it and put it online. Enjoy! https://flowers-grow.github.io/paulus_1.html
by flowers_grow
Sun Aug 08, 2021 7:24 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Was Paul's Romans originally addressed to Romans?
Replies: 9
Views: 1916

Re: Was Paul's Romans originally addressed to Romans?

A few years ago I started on translation of Van Manen's Paulus Volume 1, which is on Acts, but I have only translated the introduction and chapter 1 and part of chapter 2 so far.
by flowers_grow
Sun Aug 08, 2021 7:20 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: What does Van Manen think about the Aretas passage?
Replies: 8
Views: 1307

Re: What does Van Manen think about the Aretas passage?

I've been translating a bit of Van Manen (Paulus volume 1) myself, but it's hard work and I haven't gotten very far before getting sidetracked into translating his colleague Loman, where I have a bit more. Unfortunately we are most likely to find what Van Manen thought about this passage in Paulus V...
by flowers_grow
Wed Aug 04, 2021 1:07 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: rgprice "1 Cor 15:5-10 is clearly an interpolation" --- I call BS
Replies: 25
Views: 4690

Re: rgprice "1 Cor 15:5-10 is clearly an interpolation" --- I call BS

In Paul we read the ektroma represents his wicked past; in Ignatius it represents his johnny-come-lately status. How can we tell if both are drawing on a common saying? Or if someone with a knowledge of Ignatius added the passage to 2 Corinthians? I am trying to see this difference, but "Last ...
by flowers_grow
Tue Aug 03, 2021 9:16 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: rgprice "1 Cor 15:5-10 is clearly an interpolation" --- I call BS
Replies: 25
Views: 4690

Re: rgprice "1 Cor 15:5-10 is clearly an interpolation" --- I call BS

It's interesting that Ignatius is trying to extend who is last beyond Paul to himself.