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by MrMacSon
Tue Oct 26, 2021 1:37 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The hidden god of the Gnostics before Jesus?
Replies: 8
Views: 112

Re: The hidden god of the Gnostics before Jesus?

But what I would expect to find, if this is indeed the case, is evidence of a belief that the Creator god worshiped by the Jews was not the highest god, prior to any accounts of Jesus. I think that's what we find with/ in the Gnostic literature (+/- the commentary of Irenaeus about some of that lit...
by MrMacSon
Tue Oct 26, 2021 12:45 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The hidden god of the Gnostics before Jesus?
Replies: 8
Views: 112

Re: The hidden god of the Gnostics before Jesus?

I've just started reading David Brakke's The Gnostics and listening to his great course presentation on Gnosticism on Audible. I get the impression that Genesis (+/- other Creation accounts) was fundamental and key for 'the Gnostics', for Philo, and for Marcion. And, so it seems, was Plato / 'Platon...
by MrMacSon
Sat Oct 23, 2021 3:21 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: A subtle way to defame Carrier by Litwa
Replies: 24
Views: 437

Re: A subtle way to defame Carrier by Litwa

Litwa mentions Markus Vinzent and Matthias Klinghardt in that videoed discussion . A search of the google book version of The Evil Creator for their surnames shows he references Vinzent's Tertullian's Preface to Marcion's Gospel , 2016, and Klinghardt's two-volume tome Das älteste Evangelium und die...
by MrMacSon
Sat Oct 23, 2021 4:41 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: A subtle way to defame Carrier by Litwa
Replies: 24
Views: 437

Re: A subtle way to defame Carrier by Litwa

that observation alone is a subtle way to attack "modern atheists" as ideologists à la Marcion. Atheists don't need to be compared to a religious person, not even if the latter was called Marcion. I don't disagree. And I'm not sure comparing atheists reading the Bible is comparable to Mar...
by MrMacSon
Sat Oct 23, 2021 4:12 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: A subtle way to defame Carrier by Litwa
Replies: 24
Views: 437

Re: A subtle way to defame Carrier by Litwa

1 Cor 2:6-8 is a marcionite interpolation, as proved, inter alia , by Turmel, hence that passage can't be used to argue for mythicism (because, if it was genuine, then mythicism would have been proved definitively, for me). They're not talking about mythicism. Besides, they talk about 2 Cor 4:3-4 f...
by MrMacSon
Sat Oct 23, 2021 4:08 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: A subtle way to defame Carrier by Litwa
Replies: 24
Views: 437

Re: A subtle way to defame Carrier by Litwa

Gdon, the fact that both Carrier (or Dawkins, for that matter) and Marcion would agree about the conclusion (== YHWH is evil) is not a good reason to assume that they would agree also about the premises and the way of implying from the premises the said conclusion. Carrier comes to the conclusion t...
by MrMacSon
Sat Oct 23, 2021 4:00 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: A subtle way to defame Carrier by Litwa
Replies: 24
Views: 437

Re: A subtle way to defame Carrier by Litwa

Following on from some of the things David Litwa said in the previous video, I think this 9 minute video is a good example of how the negative parts of certain passages from the Hebrew Bible were omitted as those passages were selected and used for the NT: in this case Luke 4:16-30, using modificati...
by MrMacSon
Sat Oct 23, 2021 3:50 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: A subtle way to defame Carrier by Litwa
Replies: 24
Views: 437

Re: A subtle way to defame Carrier by Litwa

p. 163 ie. before the two pages I posted above

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by MrMacSon
Sat Oct 23, 2021 1:37 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: A subtle way to defame Carrier by Litwa
Replies: 24
Views: 437

Re: A subtle way to defame Carrier by Litwa

Litwa makes the same point after ~14:00 (to ~15:00) in the video below as he makes in the first full paragraph of his text on p. 165 above, without reference to Carrier (ie. without reference to Carrier in the video, at least up until 15:00) eta3: Litwa makes the same point about atheists & Marc...
by MrMacSon
Sat Oct 23, 2021 1:31 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: A subtle way to defame Carrier by Litwa
Replies: 24
Views: 437

Re: A subtle way to defame Carrier by Litwa

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