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by MrMacSon
Mon Sep 26, 2022 4:09 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Bart Ehrman -- another instance of not reading what he cites
Replies: 99
Views: 1854

Re: Bart Ehrman -- another instance of not reading what he cites

Objectivity is a myth, is unachievable, and what even counts as "objective" is dependent on the observer. I disagree. While objectivity is difficult to achieve, it is achievable. Formal argumentation is part of objectivity: sound deductive argumentation; or cogent inductive argumentation ...
by MrMacSon
Mon Sep 26, 2022 3:08 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Was Luke a disciple of Marcion?
Replies: 5
Views: 141

Re: Was Luke a disciple of Marcion?

lsayre wrote: Mon Sep 26, 2022 1:17 pm Marcion's disciple Lucanus laid down the original wording of underlying Gospel of The Lord
Please elaborate & outline
by MrMacSon
Mon Sep 26, 2022 3:03 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Samuel Krauss: the Samaritan false prophet slain by Pilate was called Dositheus
Replies: 16
Views: 342

Re: Samuel Krauss: the Samaritan false prophet slain by Pilate was called Dositheus

Origen didn't know Josephus but Hegesippis Here (ie. in Contra Celsus 1:57) or in general? (elsewhere (in Contra Celsus or Commentary on Matthew or both) Origen says he knows Josephus wrt his discussions about James) eta: and we only know Hegesippis through Eusebius: he could be a sock-puppet)
by MrMacSon
Sun Sep 25, 2022 11:15 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Samuel Krauss: the Samaritan false prophet slain by Pilate was called Dositheus
Replies: 16
Views: 342

Re: Samuel Krauss: the Samaritan false prophet slain by Pilate was called Dositheus

Not sure Origen is comparing Dositheus with Judah the Galilean as much as making observations in Contra Celsum 1:57 he does newly the comparison, even arriving to bypass the direct comparison with Jesus, so much he is disturbed by a such comparison Contra Celsum 1 : 57 : ... we shall mention that t...
by MrMacSon
Sun Sep 25, 2022 8:57 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Samuel Krauss: the Samaritan false prophet slain by Pilate was called Dositheus
Replies: 16
Views: 342

Re: Samuel Krauss: the Samaritan false prophet slain by Pilate was called Dositheus

1. Where does Origen compare the appearance of Dositheus with that of Judah the Galilean? In what context ? I have quoted what matters from Origen here For this reason, they loved [John the Baptist] quite justly, but they did not keep their love within bounds; for they kept wondering ''whether perh...
by MrMacSon
Sun Sep 25, 2022 7:01 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Bart Ehrman -- another instance of not reading what he cites
Replies: 99
Views: 1854

Re: Bart Ehrman -- another instance of not reading what he cites

... Ehrman's conclusion in: Did Jesus Exist? The Mythicist Agenda " It is no accident that virtually all mythicists (in fact, all of them, to my knowledge) are either atheists or agnostics. The ones I know anything about are quite virulently, even militantly, atheist. On the surface that may m...
by MrMacSon
Sun Sep 25, 2022 4:07 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Samuel Krauss: the Samaritan false prophet slain by Pilate was called Dositheus
Replies: 16
Views: 342

Re: Samuel Krauss: the Samaritan false prophet slain by Pilate was called Dositheus

I am thinking on this sound comment by Samuel Krauss: Signalons aussi Origène, toujouts bien informé, qui compare l'apparition de Dosithée avec celle de Juda le Galiléen. De la sorte, on appelle notre attention sur le caractère messianique de Dosithée, si bien que Dosithée se présenta comme Messie ...
by MrMacSon
Sat Sep 24, 2022 5:18 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Bart Ehrman -- another instance of not reading what he cites
Replies: 99
Views: 1854

Re: Bart Ehrman -- another instance of not reading what he cites

Chris Hansen wrote: Sat Sep 24, 2022 3:25 pm This thread isn't about whether Bart is right or wrong on mythicism. It is about him being a careless researcher.
Not just a careless researcher: a careless writer-commentator.

And it's noteworthy when he became noted for his carelessness ( in relation to a certain issue-subject ... )
by MrMacSon
Fri Sep 23, 2022 3:07 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: If Discussing Early Christianity Were a Sport What Would the Rules Be?
Replies: 36
Views: 893

Re: If Discussing Early Christianity Were a Sport What Would the Rules Be?

3. modern scholarship overestimates or misrepresents or deliberately distorts the historical understanding or 'reality' of the man Jesus. fify (& me & perhaps others: I think it's a very good overview) 3. modern scholarship overestimates, misrepresents or deliberately distorts the historica...
by MrMacSon
Fri Sep 23, 2022 2:50 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: If Discussing Early Christianity Were a Sport What Would the Rules Be?
Replies: 36
Views: 893

Re: If Discussing Early Christianity Were a Sport What Would the Rules Be?

My point was just to bring attention to some facts I've thought about for a while: By the time of Irenaeus a creed was established to 'acknowledge' that Jesus was crucified under Pilate. I've never understood that. It might be that there were dissenting voices i.e. that Jesus was crucified at a gen...