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by MrMacSon
Fri May 17, 2024 5:53 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Bob Price, David Trobisch, RG Price and Roger Parvus's view about *Ev
Replies: 3
Views: 91

Re: Bob Price, David Trobisch, RG Price and Roger Parvus's view about *Ev

And really my model is more like: Apostolikon (Letters of the Apostle) -> Story about Paul's ministry (Acts of the Apostle) 1 -> Story about Jesus (proto-Mark) -> proto-Luke -> Marcion's collection 1 I presume you're talking about a [sort of] proto-Acts-of-the-Apostle It would really have been a ma...
by MrMacSon
Wed May 15, 2024 7:35 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Excerpts from Volkmar, 'The Religion of Jesus,' 1857
Replies: 13
Views: 356

Re: Excerpts from Volkmar, 'The Religion of Jesus,' 1857

I wrote that the *characters* of Jesus and Paul in the letter and in acts were Jewish. I agree. But note what I said: Both Jesus and Paul were Jews I'd say that they have overwhelming been portrayed as Jews. But Paul was doing something contrary to standard Second Temple Jewish practice , especiall...
by MrMacSon
Wed May 15, 2024 7:19 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Excerpts from Volkmar, 'The Religion of Jesus,' 1857
Replies: 13
Views: 356

Re: Excerpts from Volkmar, 'The Religion of Jesus,' 1857

Firstly, thanks for this MMS. I'm still working through this. Secondly, as for Paul "being a Jew", I'm not so sure. It is very interesting that Paul talks about seeking to destroy the "assembly of God" as a credential of his Jewish identity. Galatians 1:13 For you have heard of ...
by MrMacSon
Wed May 15, 2024 6:29 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Excerpts from Volkmar, 'The Religion of Jesus,' 1857
Replies: 13
Views: 356

Re: Excerpts from Volkmar, 'The Religion of Jesus,' 1857

I'd say that they have overwhelming been portrayed as Jews. Paul *self describes* as a Jew in Philippians, and we know it wasn't a geographic or cultural identity either, because he further states that he was a Pharisee. Acts re-iterates the point. I mean, I suppose if Acts is fiction , and Jesus d...
by MrMacSon
Wed May 15, 2024 12:08 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Excerpts from Volkmar, 'The Religion of Jesus,' 1857
Replies: 13
Views: 356

Re: Excerpts from Volkmar, 'The Religion of Jesus,' 1857

Both Jesus and Paul were Jews I'd say that they have overwhelming been portrayed as Jews. But Paul was doing something contrary to standard Second Temple Jewish practice, especially through the middle-end of Galatians 2 through 3, at least (see below). Jesus was mostly portrayed as doing more super...
by MrMacSon
Tue May 14, 2024 3:40 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Excerpts from Volkmar, 'The Religion of Jesus,' 1857
Replies: 13
Views: 356

Re: Excerpts from Volkmar, 'The Religion of Jesus,' 1857

Paulinism and Polycarp: 430 ... Paulinism, which held the just middle and so firmly adhered to the original foundation of the New Testament, did not hesitate to emphasize the spiritual authority set by God. At the same time, Polycarp (around 150 AD), knowing his external position, had something othe...
by MrMacSon
Tue May 14, 2024 3:05 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Excerpts from Volkmar, 'The Religion of Jesus,' 1857
Replies: 13
Views: 356

Re: Excerpts from Volkmar, 'The Religion of Jesus,' 1857

The so-called second Letter of Clement: 411 A particular treatise specifically addressed the denial of the resurrection of the flesh. The significance of the physical, both for the person of Jesus himself and for the realization of the kingdom of God in the physical world, was elaborated and firmly ...
by MrMacSon
Mon May 13, 2024 5:19 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Excerpts from Volkmar, 'The Religion of Jesus,' 1857
Replies: 13
Views: 356

Re: Excerpts from Volkmar, 'The Religion of Jesus,' 1857

403 ... a rise of monotheistic consciousness with the Gnostic flow and its speculation appears in all the writings .. .from 120 to 135 ... 405 The Paulinism touched by Gnosis and rooted in monotheism polemically confronts Christian Judaism, particularly the lingering influence in Ephesus, in the le...
by MrMacSon
Mon May 13, 2024 4:46 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Excerpts from Volkmar, 'The Religion of Jesus,' 1857
Replies: 13
Views: 356

Excerpts from Volkmar, 'The Religion of Jesus,' 1857

Dr. Gustav Volkmar, 'The Religion of Jesus and its first development according to the current state of science', to Mr. Privy Councillor, Dr. Punsen, at Heidelberg, 1857 387 [p.194 of the pdf https://vridar.info/xorigins/Volkmar/Volkmar-ReligionOfJesus.pdf] ... in the Gospel of Matthew, the great ma...
by MrMacSon
Sun May 12, 2024 12:53 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Rome and early Christianity
Replies: 8
Views: 415

Re: Rome and early Christianity

Jerome seems to have thought that Philo could have had some contact with early Christianity (apparently thinking of the references to the Therapeutae and interpreting them as such). https://web.archive.org/web/20070224051313/http://www.textexcavation.com/gospelorigins.html#jerome [ From On Famous M...