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by neilgodfrey
Sat Oct 23, 2021 4:17 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Revelation of the Mystery Hidden for Ages
Replies: 7
Views: 362

Re: The Revelation of the Mystery Hidden for Ages

. . . . The writer of the gloss wants to impose the idea that Paul got his revelation through the medium of "the prophetic writings," i.e. OT scriptures. But as Turmel observes, this makes the whole thought hopelessly incoherent. The mystery cannot be hidden for long ages and only now rev...
by neilgodfrey
Sat Oct 23, 2021 1:28 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Dave Allen arguing for a genuine Testimonium Flavianum: a criticism
Replies: 52
Views: 2564

Re: Dave Allen arguing for a genuine Testimonium Flavianum: a criticism

I'll try and clarify. Assuming there is an authentic core to the Josephan passages about Jesus, then Josephus did not invent this material. Correct. But that's missing my point. Therefore at least some people (maybe only followers of Jesus) in Judea before the Jewish war were making claims about a ...
by neilgodfrey
Fri Oct 22, 2021 11:37 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Turmel on the Testimonium Flavianum
Replies: 8
Views: 406

Re: Turmel on the Testimonium Flavianum

Hi Giuseppe, I've run the first 11 pages through a translator but got stuck with the first 11 lines on page 12. Any chance you can type those out so I can continue this translation? Thanks (The translation will be crude -- I haven't checked it all and have not been able to always enter the correct F...
by neilgodfrey
Fri Oct 22, 2021 10:13 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: What Happened to Ben?
Replies: 7
Views: 183

Re: What Happened to Ben?

. . . I think Ben stopped replying to him some time shortly later. . . . Ah, I missed those fun and games, fortunately. I will adjust my own reading and responses accordingly from now on. I also think I unintentionally upset Ben when all he got from me at one point was my off-handed response that I...
by neilgodfrey
Fri Oct 22, 2021 10:08 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Why did the Gnostics use Paul and Gospels?
Replies: 46
Views: 1563

Re: Why did the Gnostics use Paul and Gospels?

. . . . Again, what evidence do we have . . . . I posted this in 2014: https://earlywritings.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=14553#p14553 It is a string of excerpts from Joesephus. I think I may also have posted similar or even more outrageous claims in FRDB/IIDB and CrossTalk2. Anyways, I am re-posting ...
by neilgodfrey
Fri Oct 22, 2021 5:25 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Turmel on the Testimonium Flavianum
Replies: 8
Views: 406

Re: Turmel on the Testimonium Flavianum

Giuseppe wrote: Fri Oct 22, 2021 6:53 am I have just uploaded the Turmel's pamphlet:

https://archive.org/details/sa-vie-terrestre
Thank you, Giuseppe. You might like to replace the large file you have added to archive.org with a smaller version I have made for you, with OCR.
turmel-jesus-1.pdf
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by neilgodfrey
Fri Oct 22, 2021 4:43 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Dave Allen arguing for a genuine Testimonium Flavianum: a criticism
Replies: 52
Views: 2564

Re: Dave Allen arguing for a genuine Testimonium Flavianum: a criticism

Are you arguing that establishing a belief in a historical Jesus in Judea before the Jewish war would not prove that Jesus existed ? If so this is technically correct but not IMO very interesting. No. That's not what I wrote at all, nor even implied. Did you notice the point I made about the establ...
by neilgodfrey
Fri Oct 22, 2021 3:14 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The case for Post First War Paul?
Replies: 40
Views: 1714

Re: The case for Post First War Paul?

. . . I have a hard time believing that could be true given that they make essentially no mention of the conflict or the loss of the temple. . . . An interesting passage in a paper Etienne Nodet recently added to academia.edu can be seen as relevant to the argument relating to Paul not making expli...
by neilgodfrey
Thu Oct 21, 2021 4:44 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Turmel on the Testimonium Flavianum
Replies: 8
Views: 406

Re: Turmel on the Testimonium Flavianum

Can you copy and add this work to archive.org? I would like to upload it, only that I have not a scanner so the operation, by using only my smartphone, should require some time. At any case, it is a little pamphlet. I am expecting the 6 volumes of Turmel's Historie des dogmes , especially the volum...
by neilgodfrey
Thu Oct 21, 2021 4:17 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Turmel on the Testimonium Flavianum
Replies: 8
Views: 406

Re: Turmel on the Testimonium Flavianum

Tacite ( Annales 15,44) et Suétone ( Claudius 19) nous apprennent que le "Christ" a existé sous le règne de Tibère: rien de plus. Dans les Antiquités de Josèphe on lit un texte 18,33 qui contient un vif éloge de Jésus et où Jésus est présentè comme ressuscitant trois jours après sa condam...