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by neilgodfrey
Sun Oct 17, 2021 8:48 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Why did the Gnostics use Paul and Gospels?
Replies: 36
Views: 724

Re: Why did the Gnostics use Paul and Gospels?

............. If we’re just speculating, it makes sense to me that proselytes in the diaspora would have been attracted to the worship of the Abrahamic god, Moses and the prophets, moral purity and simplicity, etc. while at the same time not wanting to be associated with the zealots rebelling viole...
by neilgodfrey
Sun Oct 17, 2021 5:01 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Why did the Gnostics use Paul and Gospels?
Replies: 36
Views: 724

Re: Why did the Gnostics use Paul and Gospels?

[Why] Marcion and Gnostics used Paul and the Gospels Did Gnostics like the Sethians and Valentinians use Paul and the Gospels? If so, in what state--what version-- were they? Did Marcion use the Gospels (plural)? (we know he at least collected ten Pauline epistles; Robert M Price thinks he wrote so...
by neilgodfrey
Sun Oct 17, 2021 2:11 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Why did the Gnostics use Paul and Gospels?
Replies: 36
Views: 724

Re: Why did the Gnostics use Paul and Gospels?

After the First war, tensions started to grow in this community and such God-fearers became increasingly uneasy with their ties to Judaism. This increased over time as the conflicts continued to roil. But why would gentiles who had been attracted to Judaism become increasingly uneasy with their tie...
by neilgodfrey
Sun Oct 17, 2021 12:47 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Questions about Dating 1 Clement
Replies: 19
Views: 413

Re: Questions about Dating 1 Clement

Neil, I noticed that you are calling Dionysius of Corinth "Denys," as if the same as Dionysius the Areopagite mentioned in Acts, the fictional covert of Paul in Athens who supposedly invented the form of Neo-platonic mysticism associated with his name = the legends of St Denys the Philoso...
by neilgodfrey
Sat Oct 16, 2021 7:33 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Questions about Dating 1 Clement
Replies: 19
Views: 413

Re: Questions about Dating 1 Clement

Unfortunately not all of his books are available at archive.org. They should be, and hopefully I will be able to make up for that serious hole in their collection. It is great! :cheers: I have added Joseph Turmel's commentaries - 4 volumes - on the NT epistles to archive.org https://archive.org/det...
by neilgodfrey
Sat Oct 16, 2021 4:52 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Questions about Dating 1 Clement
Replies: 19
Views: 413

Re: Questions about Dating 1 Clement

Unfortunately not all of his books are available at archive.org. They should be, and hopefully I will be able to make up for that serious hole in their collection. It is great! :cheers: I also am searching for his Historie des dogmes t. 5 , only its too much expansive cost and the historicist faith...
by neilgodfrey
Sat Oct 16, 2021 4:07 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Questions about Dating 1 Clement
Replies: 19
Views: 413

Re: Questions about Dating 1 Clement

I had hoped to avoid getting into a discussion on the dating of 1 Clement but, well, here we are. The following points are distilled from a 1928 article by Joseph Turmel who was writing under the name of Henri Delafosse: “La Lettre De Clément Romain Aux Corinthiens.” Revue de l’histoire Des Religion...
by neilgodfrey
Sat Oct 16, 2021 2:43 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The case for Post First War Paul?
Replies: 39
Views: 1100

Re: The case for Post First War Paul?

Clement's argument Take up the epistle of the blessed Apostle Paul. What did he write to you at the time when the gospel first began to be preached? Truly, under the inspiration of the Spirit, he wrote to you concerning himself, and Cephas, and Apollos, because even then parties had been formed amo...
by neilgodfrey
Sat Oct 16, 2021 2:37 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Questions about Dating 1 Clement
Replies: 19
Views: 413

Re: Questions about Dating 1 Clement

If one accepts the evidence in Eusebius from Hegesippus and Dionysius of Corinth then c 170 CE Clement to the Corinthians was already regarded as an ancient and valued text. This would seem to require a date well before 150 CE. Andrew Criddle That would appear to follow -- IF that is all there is t...
by neilgodfrey
Fri Oct 15, 2021 6:46 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Questions about Dating 1 Clement
Replies: 19
Views: 413

Re: Questions about Dating 1 Clement

So, I have been fascinated by Neil Godfrey's recent discussion upon this forum of the ways in which 1 Clement is dated, and I have some questions about that. 1. Was there any reason why people around 170 CE might have wanted to forge a document dating back decades and addressing the issues that 1 C...