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by neilgodfrey
Fri Sep 17, 2021 5:34 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Gospel "according to" ___
Replies: 7
Views: 233

Re: Gospel "according to" ___

To bring out a point I glossed too quickly earlier -- more contra-Paul than assigning personal names to our canonical gospels would be the mere fact of calling a biographical narrative of Jesus a "gospel". I don't think this is what the word meant for Paul.
by neilgodfrey
Fri Sep 17, 2021 4:38 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Gospel "according to" ___
Replies: 7
Views: 233

Re: Gospel "according to" ___

Our first evidence of the four "kata gospels" comes with Irenaeus but before then there were Justin's "Memoirs of the Apostles". If these were also called gospels or a gospel it is unlikely that that word had quite the same meaning as it does in Paul's letters. What advantage wou...
by neilgodfrey
Thu Sep 16, 2021 4:50 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The meaning of ἀπεκδυσάμενος in Col 2:15
Replies: 13
Views: 413

Re: The meaning of ἀπεκδυσάμενος in Col 2:15

Irish1975 wrote: Mon Sep 13, 2021 1:21 pm
2. I am wondering about the interpretation of ἀπεκδυσάμενος.
There is some discussion the ambiguities of the word in the attached file. Let me know if the French language of the article is a problem.
by neilgodfrey
Wed Sep 15, 2021 2:43 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Were the Church Fathers 'Philosophers'?
Replies: 18
Views: 468

Re: Were the Church Fathers 'Philosophers'?

Malherbe's Paul and the Popular Philosophers can be read online at https://archive.org/details/paulpopularphilo0000malh Skimming it over once more I was reminded of how close to the ideals of ancient popular philosophers was the legend of Paul as a founder of churches and pastoral supervisor, contin...
by neilgodfrey
Wed Sep 15, 2021 5:10 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Were the Church Fathers 'Philosophers'?
Replies: 18
Views: 468

Re: Were the Church Fathers 'Philosophers'?

Remember also the portrait of Peregrinus Proteus. Some question where or not Lucian is reporting an actual Christian because of his philosophical rooting. I tend to think it is a generally accurate portrait. Indeed. We think of philosophers sedately pacing through colonnaded vestibules addressing t...
by neilgodfrey
Wed Sep 15, 2021 4:43 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Were the Church Fathers 'Philosophers'?
Replies: 18
Views: 468

Re: Were the Church Fathers 'Philosophers'?

The glossolalia and the unforgivable blasphemy against the holy spirit make Christianity more a religion than a philosophy. Plato came as close as one could imagine to the idea of an unforgiveable blasphemy in Laws where he says the most loathesome of humans are those who swear falsely by the gods,...
by neilgodfrey
Wed Sep 15, 2021 3:19 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Were the Church Fathers 'Philosophers'?
Replies: 18
Views: 468

Re: Were the Church Fathers 'Philosophers'?

It is all easier to accept if we think of Christianity as we know it having its birth in the mid second century rather than the mid-first century. if Christianity started among philosophical schools, then what was the "missing link" to a view of Christianity as religion? The glossolalia a...
by neilgodfrey
Wed Sep 15, 2021 1:38 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Were the Church Fathers 'Philosophers'?
Replies: 18
Views: 468

Re: Were the Church Fathers 'Philosophers'?

I wonder whether 'primitive Christianity' was just a myth. The idea of 'primitive Christianity' as more "religion" than "philosophy" is surely a myth. To begin with, our notions of "religion" and "philosophy" do not fit with the ancient concepts, as you well ...
by neilgodfrey
Wed Sep 15, 2021 1:18 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Were the Church Fathers 'Philosophers'?
Replies: 18
Views: 468

Re: Were the Church Fathers 'Philosophers'?

I've been wondering about this. The standard understanding is 'no' because philosophers weren't believers in Christ. But when you start going through the list of names there is something of a philosophical foundation to Christianity. Justin Martyr = philosopher Clement of Alexandria = philosopher O...
by neilgodfrey
Mon Sep 06, 2021 8:25 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Carrier, Aretas and Damascus
Replies: 236
Views: 9760

Re: Carrier, Aretas and Damascus

Some years ago I read an article by Steve Mason (no longer on the Bible and Interpretation website but incorporated into his book: Josephus, Judea, and Christian Origins: Methods and Categories. The whole book is available for download: https://www.academia.edu/40012218/Two_Essays_on_the_Apostle_Pa...