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- Tue Apr 23, 2024 2:58 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Do all Roads Lead to Eusebius: Antiquities 20.200
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Re: Do all Roads Lead to Eusebius: Antiquities 20.200
That still leaves us with the questions of a) why Origen would have thought the ‘called Christ’ phrase was in Josephus, and b) why Eusebius would have bothered to add it. I mean, even if he was puzzled by not finding the phrase Origen had cited, it seems unlikely that he’d have reacted by assuming ...
- Tue Apr 23, 2024 2:45 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Do all Roads Lead to Eusebius: Antiquities 20.200
- Replies: 14
- Views: 455
Re: Do all Roads Lead to Eusebius: Antiquities 20.200
Chris Hansen has been keeping a list of others and could tell you more (and I would identify myself as a minimalist, not a mythicist; I do not deny the existence of an historical Jesus but think we know extremely little about him). I also would identify as a minimalist (not mythicist). For those wo...
- Mon Apr 22, 2024 10:08 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: John the Baptist, redivivus of a 2015 article
- Replies: 122
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Re: John the Baptist, redivivus of a 2015 article
I am resting my case specifically on how Josephus uses the two forms of adelphonymics without any apparent exception that I have yet found I understand what you're doing on that level, but you haven't answered the question of how you know that the distinctions that you're making are necessary in yo...
- Mon Apr 22, 2024 9:37 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: John the Baptist, redivivus of a 2015 article
- Replies: 122
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Re: John the Baptist, redivivus of a 2015 article
By ‘spontaneously’, I mean using the phrase where he wasn’t quoting it from someone else. In other words, the quote from Matthew isn’t Origen coming up with it ‘spontaneously’; he’s quoting someone else. Out of all the places in which Origen refers to Jesus, the only places in which he uses ‘called...
- Mon Apr 22, 2024 9:25 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: John the Baptist, redivivus of a 2015 article
- Replies: 122
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Re: John the Baptist, redivivus of a 2015 article
I discussed them above (samples 1 and 2). I went through every adelphonymic I could find in Josephus' extant work and observed how he used them. In the case of (1) he introduces a new character (x), and identifies a relationship to some figure (Y), which can be unknown. In cases where the related br...
- Mon Apr 22, 2024 7:18 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: John the Baptist, redivivus of a 2015 article
- Replies: 122
- Views: 5988
Re: John the Baptist, redivivus of a 2015 article
Well, unless we can speculate a very convincing reason, I think Occam’s razor still cuts through to the much simpler explanation that the passage actually was original to Josephus I think that you have not read my confession here , where I have given up to doubt about the authenticity of the Baptis...
- Mon Apr 22, 2024 3:44 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: John the Baptist, redivivus of a 2015 article
- Replies: 122
- Views: 5988
Re: John the Baptist, redivivus of a 2015 article
Well, unless we can speculate a very convincing reason, I think Occam’s razor still cuts through to the much simpler explanation that the passage actually was original to Josephus I think that you have not read my confession here , where I have given up to doubt about the authenticity of the Baptis...
- Fri Apr 19, 2024 8:01 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Litwa on Marcion as ancient Mythicist
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Re: Litwa on Marcion as ancient Mythicist
Litwa: I’m on record as saying that ancient people never argued that Jesus didn’t exist. And I stand by this point. But the Talmud placed Jesus under Janneus. The Jesus lived under Pilate was a myth, according to that Talmudic tradition. Peter Schaefer has discussed this at length, but it was also ...
- Sat Apr 13, 2024 11:27 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Do all Roads Lead to Eusebius: Antiquities 20.200
- Replies: 14
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Re: Do all Roads Lead to Eusebius: Antiquities 20.200
So I found a few more references, all of which also go back to Eusebius (directly or via intermediary): Suda, s.v. Ἰώσηπος, iota 503 here is quoting from the Greek translation (verbatim) of Jerome's De Viris Illustribus 13. Jerome, Adversus Jovinianum 1.39 [PG 23.277–78] (reliant on either Eusebius ...
- Wed Apr 10, 2024 8:58 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Do all Roads Lead to Eusebius: Antiquities 20.200
- Replies: 14
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Do all Roads Lead to Eusebius: Antiquities 20.200
So, I have been conducting some research on the James 20.200 passage (which I am working on a paper about arguing it is inauthentic). One thing I decided to do (because I can't find anyone else who has done it) is trace all the different iterations of the "brother of Jesus, called Christ" ...